Bah, whatever. You guys are hopeless. Well, we don't really have anything to say about a self-creating universe, and since we don't know, we don't have to know. We just assume that it had nothing to do with God.

I thought my curiosities were pretty basic, anyone could grasp their concepts, but the only response I get is, "Science has a lot of guesses."

Why can't you have an open mind like that when it comes to God. Instead you keep repeating the same logical fallacies about him being part of time, or part of space, etc.

If you're too afraid to discuss the origin, in an elementary fashion, then suit yourself. I'm done with the God vs. Nothing debate.