This thread is for followers of Creationism or Intelligent Design to explain their position.

However, the discussion shall take place with scientific arguments only. I think there will never be an agreement about whether the bible contradicts evolution and the Big Bang, or not. So, no "bible" arguments please.

Also, it does not matter for the discussion how many or how few scientists take Creationism seriously. So, please no "mainstream science" arguments either.

And, for obvious reasons, please refrain from "ad hominem" arguments in this thread.

This thread shall be just about what we can derive from observations in nature.

I'm opening the discussion with a little poll about the age of the universe, the age of the earth, and the becoming of life.

What do you think about creation? single choice
	None of the above.
	Universe and earth: several thousand years. Life: by creation.
	Universe: ~14 billion years. Earth: several thousand years. Life: by creation.
	Universe: ~14 billion years. Earth: ~4.5 billion years. Life: by creation.
	Universe: ~14 billion years. Earth: ~4.5 billion years. Life: by natural evolution.
	Universe: ~14 billion years. Earth: ~4.5 billion years. Life: by influenced evolution.
Votes accepted starting: 03/31/06 13:27
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