you know this was one of those confusing bug hunt's ,i have learned now to use sed.exe properties(compatibility mode) the default way to test my stuff the worst of all is i had to go through the c++ plugin code and the demo before finaly figuring it out so i hope i didn't add a problem while removing one .holy mother of all things that's good ,major fail!!! check this joke ,triangle_count=vertex_count * 3 what???