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@Red: If you want to see how badly full blown shaders can crawl a system then check out the newest Thief game. Of course, there's always Doom 3 but Thief 3 has shaders everywhere, too and it's plain ridiculous at times.



What are you talking about here.. most games now have "shaders everywhere". If you dont have a good card then don't buy these games. I dont think games fail because they are forward looking and embrace new technologies. Thief 3 runs perfect for me and my computer is like 2 years old, except for my video card. Doom 3 runs great as well. So does far cry. Strangely halflife2 doesn't run any better and it has mostly cheap shaders that dont do what those other games do. If you want point-and-click games use *Jamagic*.