hey havoc, yeah i wanted to edit my last post, write something more specific with a few screenshots, but nevermind now. Waiting for your PM to get the source codes for us betatesters. I'm assuming that at this stage of Shade-C i won't be needing this SSAO extra plugin http://www.opserver.de/ubb7/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=354503&page=1 (shade-c has his own ssao now am i right?)