I wasn't comparing those to the video (obviously no equality there) why_do_i_die seems to think that just because I said basic post processing effects take all of 5 min to set up, that I'd build a level and implement it just for the sake of proving it to him, instead i just linked those. As far as the level, people seem to act like all of it is visible in the same frame when it is very much not.

a7 Ill admit is not as "plug and play" as torque, but again, its not a good comparison and there is good reason to use either of them. as darkinferno julz and frank seem to be trying to do, lets get back to talking about torque, why_do_i_die, or did you make this thread specifically to bash a7?