Hi thanks for the response. No they arent map entitys. I have tried with both shooter and walk thru templates. No success however! I decided to change the character model and used the soldier model from the model pack on the downloads page. Not saying it worked but I have noticed it happens less often then it has been. So prehaps it was having issues using the ball model as the character model. I will continue testing it and see if the problem occurs again. Thanks again