umm, yea, btw beta testers, don't think we've given up on you yet, you're still in, and of course you'll get something to beta test in the future, it seems we tried to get some beta testers a little to early, however, soon you will have some to test, and yes, we'll keep our end of the deal as long as you keep yours, as ambe has seen (and now trooper119) we have had some good progress, more screens have been posted in the preva section of our forum rather than here, so they have gotten more updates than you guys if you want more frequent updates, we'll have them there, i suppose