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The hungry donkey paradox #98224
11/10/06 07:20
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Now this is a real paradox...

Imagine a plain room, with white walls, floor and cieling, it is lit by some diffuse light that cant be seen.

A poor old donkey is stuck in the middle, and he is very hungry. Lucky for him there is some hay on the floor. Two piles in fact.

One pile of hay is to the donkey's right, the other to his left, both are equal in size and appear to be exactly the same. They are both equal distances from the donkey, and he has nothing wrong with his legs or eyes.

Will the donkey choose the left or right pile to start eating? Or will he starve to death, because he can't choose?


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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Matt_Aufderheide] #98225
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I would say, if he´s left-handed he would choose the left side and if he´s right handed he would choose the right side. I´m pretty sure that right and left handed also exists when it comes to animals. But I don´t know it for real.

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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Matt_Aufderheide] #98226
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I think it'll eat from both, but which one first ... mmm, totally unknown. If both are exactly similar ... does the donkey see both piles at the exact same time too? It's hungry enough to randomly choose one of both to be able to start eating, his priority is probably not about choosing the best. Perhaps he doesn't notice both piles are infact so similar? Good paradox though,

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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: PHeMoX] #98227
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If he's left handed (clawed) he will take a step with he's left leg and be a fraction closer to the left pile, and start there. Or, the same with the right hand side...

edit: hehehe I see fogman said the same thing.

Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: capanno] #98228
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haha. This is what will happen:

Once the donkey notices the piles, its eyes will focus on a certain pile. It wont hover in between them. He'll then go for that one.

Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Matt_Aufderheide] #98229
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I think the donkey dies from suffocation.
"a plain room, with white walls, floor and cieling, it is lit by some diffuse light that cant be seen"

i dont see no windows not anything that suggests fresh air coming in...


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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Helghast] #98230
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Only the the choice the donkey makes is important.. the story is really about a simple idea: that behavior is, at its core, irrational. There is no reason that the donkey would choose the right or left pile.

How do you make a choice if all else is equal?


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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Matt_Aufderheide] #98231
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Well, I don't think it would not decide for one of them. So, there's a 50/50 chance? I am not sure, but if both are equal as good, then there's no point in making a weighted choice, so it's okey to choose whichever the donkey likes most, even if it's purely random. Perhaps a straw of hay points straight towards it and got his attention first, you can't focus on all straws of hay at the same time, so ...

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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: PHeMoX] #98232
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since i am right handed i would pick the right stack. simple reason is the approach to it and the fact that i would first grab into the hay (empty rooms, hay stacks.... have seen too many saw movies to igore the obvious ).

so the sollution is simple: it will pick the other one

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Re: The hungry donkey paradox [Re: Blattsalat] #98233
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There's nothing paradoxical about that. It can't be determined, but he's a donkey... he'll just go to one, eat it, and then move on to the other.

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