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Ragdoll Physic #97954 11/08/06 16:52 11/08/06 16:52
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 29 Montreal, qc, Canada Childair OP Newbie
Childair OP Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 29 Montreal, qc, Canada	Just a sudjestion would be a way to apply the gravity to the body of an antity while at the same time make the squeletton of the character been movable on all physical object. An exemple of this physic is games like half life 2, flaout, saint's rows and im sure many other title. Childair

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: Childair] #97955 11/08/06 17:23 11/08/06 17:23
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	It is possible to create a skeleton controlled by the A6 physics engine by the use of hinges and balls. Then you can apply it to a boned mesh. It's just work. Last edited by HeelX; 11/08/06 17:26.

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: HeelX] #97956 11/08/06 17:45 11/08/06 17:45
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Disadvantage is that you'd have to make models from totally separate models right? One foot, one leg, one lower/upper body , upper and lower arms and hands ? Could this be done with invisible physics objects somehow? I haven't looked into this that much yet, but it would be cool.. Cheers PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: PHeMoX] #97957 11/08/06 18:00 11/08/06 18:00
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904 H HeelX Senior Expert
HeelX Senior Expert H Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,904	"Then you can apply it to a boned mesh." As I said, you can apply the physics skeleton simulation onto the boned model. So you have _one_ model but with a bone skeleton. This has an advantage (visually) over sub-meshes, naturally.

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: HeelX] #97958 11/08/06 18:20 11/08/06 18:20
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 254 UK, London Dyc Member
Dyc Member Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 254 UK, London	It took me 3 hours to create a convincing ragdoll setup in TV3D in C#. I have been trying to do something similar with A6 without much success. First of all phcon_getposition returns weird results if you create more than 5 hinge constraints, I tried to transform the "hips" bone using ent_bonemove but this seems to translate the bones position in model space not world space, and last but not least the ball constrain can not have any limits in A6 you would have to use only hinge constrains. If anyone has an Idea how to solve this I will be glad to hear it.

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: HeelX] #97959 11/08/06 18:31 11/08/06 18:31
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 873 S Shadow969 User
Shadow969 User S Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 873	Quote: "Then you can apply it to a boned mesh." As I said, you can apply the physics skeleton simulation onto the boned model. So you have _one_ model but with a bone skeleton. This has an advantage (visually) over sub-meshes, naturally. i tried doing this with Newton, first i created a skeleton with different models and then i tried assigning each models' angle to bones angle, but it behaved strange Have anybode done this successfully?

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: Dyc] #97960 11/08/06 22:26 11/08/06 22:26
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 567 Spain, Canary Islands Felixsg User
Felixsg User Joined: May 2003 Posts: 567 Spain, Canary Islands	Quote: It took me 3 hours to create a convincing ragdoll setup in TV3D in C#. I have been trying to do something similar with A6 without much success. First of all phcon_getposition returns weird results if you create more than 5 hinge constraints, I tried to transform the "hips" bone using ent_bonemove but this seems to translate the bones position in model space not world space, and last but not least the ball constrain can not have any limits in A6 you would have to use only hinge constrains. If anyone has an Idea how to solve this I will be glad to hear it. The gamestudio ode physics engine not have limits in costrain? then probably conitec need to update the ode engine any months ago ode release a new version with fixed and new features one the constrains limits Last edited by Felixsg; 11/08/06 22:28.

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: Felixsg] #97961 11/08/06 23:14 11/08/06 23:14
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 254 UK, London Dyc Member
Dyc Member Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 254 UK, London	It has constraint limits, just not on the ball joint.

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: Dyc] #97962 11/09/06 02:04 11/09/06 02:04
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands PHeMoX Senior Expert
PHeMoX Senior Expert Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 8,177 Netherlands	Aah, so it is possible to make a physics skeleton, well, that's great, I'm going to look into this a bit more. Cheers PHeMoX, Innervision Software (c) 1995-2008 For more info visit: Innervision Software

Re: Ragdoll Physic [Re: PHeMoX] #97963 11/09/06 03:58 11/09/06 03:58
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 29 Montreal, qc, Canada Childair OP Newbie
Childair OP Newbie Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 29 Montreal, qc, Canada	If anyone have clues how i could manage to create even a basic physic with a 2 bone squeletton would be greatly appreciated. Maybe give an tutorial how to build one would be really nice. Thankx alote for the discution guys. Childair

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