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Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS #467027
07/12/17 19:16
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I will post here the actually results of my trials

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: JoFo] #467028
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2 VServer Windows Server 2016
TIME: UTC
Zorro 1.58
Z12 - Margin 100

Capital: 6 Accounts a 2000 Euro = 12000 Euro
Start: 27.06.2017
End: 12.07.2017 (Patchday MS)
TradingDays: 12

Account 1 3084.02
Account 2 2974.81
Account 3 3155.14
Account 4 3108.76
Account 5 3129.39
Account 6 3044.83
------------------
Sum 18496.95

WIN 6496.95
WIN % +54 %


Nice Return.



Last edited by JoFo; 07/12/17 19:36.
Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: JoFo] #467033
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Nice! But there is something that I don't understand. According to http://zorro-project.com/manual/en/zsystems.htm

Z12 required capital is $2600 -and moreover it is recommended to have twice the required capital- but you put $2000 in each account and with 100% margin. Isn't it risky? Or those results are from demo accounts?

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: Mithrandir77] #467039
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Well I see and guess you never traded REAL with real money.

whatever is in the manual its mostly better to find out yourself whats function how.
same with IKEA.

It cost me around 5000 Euro REAL money to find out how to deal with Zorro and the Z Systems.

The margin is calculated from the Capital you have on the account. If you have only 1000 Euro then it is calculated from 1000. If you have 5000 its calculated from 5000. If margin is not enough for what reason trades get skipped. That's not really a problem. Higher Margin means more risk and if your capital is low its better you not trade the high margin high risk trades.

Test results like from Z Systems are mostly nothing more then a nice graphic.

For the test above:

I start the Z 12 System by purpose at 27.06.
My experience from REAL trading by hand over 5 years shows me we will enter a choppy period on the markets. Like it was till the end of the test period.

The accounts was down for 5 tradingdays up to 300 Euro. Mostly cause the system enter high margin high risk position over 200 Euro RISK.

Z 12 learned fast and stop the loss trades who was mostly the counter of the diving Stockmarkets.

The big turnaround the last days was creating the profit and like we can see if Z12 is smelling blood then it go for it.

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: JoFo] #467048
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You are in a lucky period. I have used fxcm demo accounts since April 2016 and didn't make a dime. More or less sideways and big losses at Brexit and Trump. Since June the account has gained 25%.

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: MIGI] #467050
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Good point, although it's said not to intervene manually in an automatic strategy I think such political events you mentioned can hardly be predicted by any strategy using rules based more or less on statistic price/volume/etc. behaviour from the past and maybe it can be useful to stop it for the moment and continue short after if you do not want to play lottery. Last personal experience was missing to close a short EUR/GBP trade before the weekend of the election in UK where May lost her majority ...

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: JoFo] #467174
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Originally Posted By: JoFo
The margin is calculated from the Capital you have on the account. If you have only 1000 Euro then it is calculated from 1000. If you have 5000 its calculated from 5000.


Let's try to clarify this. Manual page about Z strategies states, that calculations is not based on account balance.

"The Z systems do not automatically reinvest profits. The trade size can be manually controlled with a slider and is unrelated to the account balance"
http://zorro-project.com/manual/en/zsystems.htm

So, how exactly Margin and Risk sliders work?

Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: Fiber] #467312
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Guys, it is stated on the same page about the Z-strategies. The margin slider is the amount of margin consumed per trade in account currency. The slider is also limited to 100 by the settings in Z.ini. It is not "50%" or "100%"... hence trading at a margin of 100%... crazy

And it is described as "not fixed" as the algo may alter the margin based on current market situations which means a single trade may take more margin than specified by the slider.

I think it would be better to follow the workshop before going live... Zorro is much more than a black box bot.

"Risk limit per trade in multiples of the Margin slider setting (see Risk). At the default settings of 10 and 50, the risk limit is 10 * $50 = $500. The risk limit is the maximum amount that the worst trade can lose, excluding slippage. If the risk of a trade would exceed this limit, the trade size is accordingly reduced. This is not a hard limit; slippage can increase the loss, and a trade with minimum size (1 lot) is still entered even if its risk is above the limit."

Best wishes
TCC

Last edited by TCC; 07/26/17 05:38.
Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: TCC] #467582
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NEW RESULT


2 VServer Windows Server 2016
TIME: UTC
Zorro 1.58
Z12 - Margin 100

Capital: 6 Accounts a 3000 Euro = 18000 Euro
Start: 12.07.2017
End: 10.08.2017 (Patchday MS)
TradingDays: 22

Account 1 2011,24
Account 2 1943,32
Account 3 1977,90
Account 4 1931,53
Account 5 1940,58
Account 6 1725,99
------------------
Sum 11530,56

LOST 6469.44
LOST % -36 %
Max DD up to 1300 €

in the end all profit from the last trial.

easy come easy go. Not so nice

After close all trades and stop trading there was still 4 to 6 open trades on every 6 Oanda account. This is unacceptable.

The stop loss send from Z12 Zorro to Oanda was pretty insanely far from the entry level for an 100:1 trading. Only virtual stop loss in the Zorro System is not enough when Zorro repeatenly loses control over Trades.

The next setup will be with Zorro 1.60 where every Instance of Z12 will get an own server / account and the recommended standard settings and Capital.







Last edited by JoFo; 08/14/17 13:00.
Re: Z 12 REALTRADING OANDA RESULTS [Re: JoFo] #467583
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Hi JoFo,
a question are you trading z12 on the six accounts from the same Zorro instance (directory) or you have prepared an instance (separate directory) for each account?

Thank you

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