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Margin / risk sliders (Z12) #462254
09/16/16 20:26
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Although I did read the help / manual, I still do not get how the margin and risk sliders of the Z systems are working.
Currently I am testing Z12.

According to the manual the maximum amount a trade is supposed to lose is margin (default: 50) * risk (default: 10), which is 500$ with the default settings.
The Z systems overview table claims that the required capital for Z12 (with this default settings) is 2.000$.
Does that really mean that the account will be crashed with 4 consecutive losses?

Furthermore could someone explain the difference between this slider settings (examples):

- margin: 10, risk: 20
- margin: 50, risk: 4
- margin: 4, risk: 50

In each case the product (max loss per trade) is 200€.

Thank you!

Re: Margin / risk sliders (Z12) [Re: Mace78] #462257
09/17/16 09:49
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>>Does that really mean that the account will be crashed with 4 consecutive losses?<<

No. Dependent on open trades and slippage, you can theoretically crash your account with 1, 2, 3, or any number of consecutive losses. The Margin slider determines only the average margin, the margin of individual trades can be higher or lower. And the Risk slider determines not the max loss per trade, but the risk limit, i.e. the loss of the worst trade.

Re: Margin / risk sliders (Z12) [Re: jcl] #462343
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I'm also still struggling to fully understand the meaning of these 2 sliders but I believe this is due to the common sense in discretional trading where you "should" always have a well-defined SL (which defines your maximum risk per trade but never your total risk) and eventually a well-defined TP. It may help if you focus more on the backtest and Monte-Carlo results while playing with different sliders settings. This might get you a better feeling how these sliders are managing your risks.


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