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Re: The end of Z5 [Re: jcl] #449395
03/18/15 09:40
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Due to Z5 expiration, why do not publish the source code. It wiil be interesting to study it. Just an idea...

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: MatPed] #449404
03/18/15 17:19
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Z5 will most likely get a revival as a statistical arbitrage strategy of several selected asset combinations. We're currently working on it.

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: jcl] #452717
06/22/15 21:22
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Help required !!. When the removal of bottom by Swiss Central Bank of EUR/CHF I had in Alpari about EUR 500 with less than one contract long, something like 0,5 or 0,7 lots, I think to remember. So, everything was lost. Alpari UK, in turn, went into bankcruptcy. I couldn't even access to my account anymore. Now this guys are runing after me asking £11.383.50. Anyone knows any lawyer dealing with these issues? What to do? I assume they are taking as basis of their claim of debt the Force Major... I don't know. See below the message I got.


Alpari (UK) Limited - in special administration (“the Company”)
Joint Special Administrators - Samantha Bewick, Richard Heis and Mark Firmin

Outstanding Balance: £11383.50

Samantha Bewick, Mark Firmin and Richard Heis were appointed Joint Special Administrators (“JSA’s”) of the Company on 19 January 2015. Formal notice of the appointment is available to view on the JSA’s website at www.kpmg.com/uk/alpari.

You are receiving this letter as it has been established that you have a negative balance on your account following the closure of the open CHF trades on your account between 15 and 16 January 2015.

The JSA’s have appointed CCI Legal Services Ltd to assist them to collect the debts due from clients with negative balances on their accounts with the Company and confirmation of our appointment can also be found on the website referred to above.

All defined terms not otherwise defined in this notice are as defined in your agreement with the Company.
Pricing validation work has been undertaken by the Joint Special Administrators since their appointment and such work is described in detail in the document entitled “15.04.15 Valuation of Swiss currency pair trades” at www.kpmg.com/uk/alpari.

Following that work, the negative balance on your account has been confirmed as £11383.50. This is the consolidated balance due and should include all accounts you have with the Company if you hold more than one account.
You may settle this balance as follows:

To receive a 20% discount: Total payable: £9106.80

Provided you settle your account balance in full by 13 July 2015 the Joint Special Administrators are prepared to allow a prompt payment discount of 20% of the balance due. We will therefore accept a payment of £9106.80, in full and final settlement of your above consolidated account balance provided it is settled by 13 July 2015.

To receive a 15% discount: Total payable: £9675.98 Minimum Monthly Instalment £1612.66

If you are unable to settle the account balance in full immediately, provided you agree a formal payment arrangement by 13 July 2015 you will be able to benefit from the following concession; Clients that enter in to (and subsequently honour) a formal payment arrangement to settle their debt in full by six equal monthly instalments over the next six months will receive a prompt settlement discount of 15%.

To receive a 10% discount: Total payable: £10245.15 Minimum Monthly Instalment £853.76

If you are unable to settle the account balance in full immediately, provided you agree a formal payment plan by 13 July 2015 you will be able to benefit from the following concession; Clients that enter in to (and subsequently honour) a formal payment plan to settle their debt in full by 12 equal monthly instalments over the next 12 months will receive a prompt settlement discount of 10%.

In order to qualify for either of the above payment arrangement discounts please respond to this email supplying your name, address and CCI reference number to pass data protection or alternatively, please call us on +44 (0) 1766 771166 in order to set up a payment arrangement.

If you do not take advantage of the above concessions by 13 July 2015, the Joint Special Administrators reserve the right to withdraw these offers and pursue settlement of your full account balance from 14 July 2015, at which stage additional costs, charges, interest and fees may be incurred and added to the balance being pursued, if appropriate.

The consolidated balance quoted above includes a deduction of all commissions, charges and other costs due by you under clause 16.3 of the Agreement, and as set out in clause 1.8 of the Company's Risk Disclosure Notice.

To review all documentation relating to your account with Alpari please visit: www.ccilegal.co.uk/alpari
This letter is governed by and shall be construed in accordance with English law.

If you have any questions or wish to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact us on +44 (0) 1766 771166 or email: alpari@ccilegal.co.uk


Yours sincerely,

CCI Legal Services Ltd

Authorised and Regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority

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Re: The end of Z5 [Re: Mangal] #452719
06/23/15 02:28
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I merely searched for [forex debt collector uk]. Got a random lawyer who has published something on this matter.
http://www.collyerbristow.com/business/financial-disputes/forex-negative-balances
(I have no clue, and this is not an endorsement)

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: GPEngine] #452724
06/23/15 11:30
06/23/15 11:30
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Companies under special administration attempt to collect money with any possible means, as this is the job of the special administrator. So this letter is sort of standard procedure and unrelated to whether the claim is justified or not. They offer discounts in the hope that a few of the probably thousands of clients rise to that bait.

In my opinion, most those claims are unjustified. Almost all brokers give the impression in their advertisements that clients are only liable for their deposit. Even if the fine print says otherwise, it is invalid for this reason under the jurisdiction of most countries. Of course this is just my personal opinion, no legal advice. I would react immediately and reject the claim in full in a brief letter.

There are many other reasons to dispute such claims, for instance the broker failed to explain in detail why he did not execute your close order, and failed to document his attempts to do so.

You'll need a lawyer only when they really file charges.

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: jcl] #452774
06/24/15 19:23
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Please keep us up to date Mangal. Don't give them any money... those thief's ...

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: Sundance] #452841
06/27/15 21:40
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Thank you to all of you. I will keep you uptodated. KMPG evaluates saying that due to volatility the stop outs were generated arbitrarily with the system's capacity limiting the number of orders generated.

By the way, I had 391 euros in the account with a margin requirement the previous day of 150 euros and a margin available of 188 euros. From here they claim more than 11.000 pounds.

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Re: The end of Z5 [Re: Mangal] #452845
06/28/15 01:43
06/28/15 01:43
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What you did not understand according to the balance? I think you got an accounting that explains your entries and your exits, so the negative balance should be clear. Or do you wonder about the bad exits, the prices you got when the trades where closed?

Re: The end of Z5 [Re: Sphin] #454097
08/27/15 11:33
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The debt colector sent me an email saying that for the time being they will analyze what I am saying and come back to me on due time. For the time being they stop coming against my neck.

I told them about bad practices of Alpari when they hide very well the risk contract in 2013 in their website and that there is a European Union recomendation against bad practices. Some banks have even been fined because of this and over 2000 court cases have been won't by clients against their banks, the press reports.

They will have to explain how an investment of 391 euros is capable to loose 11.000 pounds in matter of seconds is considered to be suitable for me. Demo accounts as well as real money accounts stop out when no margin is there, so this are, as far as I undertand, the rules.

By the way, I have seen ThinkForex advirtising as they protect against negative balance. Is FXCM doing the same thing?

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