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Re: The true meaning [Re: AlbertoT] #447537
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it's just a definition

matter = mass + space

same as

water = H² + O

if you take the O away or one of the H, then it's not "water" anymore, it doesn't cease to be, it just turned into something else.


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Re: The true meaning [Re: Michael_Schwarz] #447538
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And as to expand on "The matter is not annihilated, merely transformed.": You have matter(mass + volume) of which you transform the mass into energy, and you are left with volume but no mass and since a "something" without both mass and volume is not matter anymore, the matter "ceases to exist" which can be misunderstood, but merely means that you have taken the mass away and what is left cannot be defined as matter anymore. It is not, in fact, annihilated.


There we go, transformation is the key.
Nothing ever ceases to exist(die) it just transforms(evolves or deliberate changes turns it) into something else.

This is the basis of all life i think.


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Re: The true meaning [Re: pararealist] #447544
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Until you get pulled into a black hole. Weird shit happens when space and time fold in on themselves.


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Re: The true meaning [Re: pararealist] #447552
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Quote:

Nothing ever ceases to exist(die) it just transforms(evolves or deliberate changes turns it) into something else.



you fill a nuclear reactor with 100 kg Uranium
After the reaction you have 99 kg mass
The reactor delivers to the ambient the amount of energy
E = 1 kg x c^2

Following your assumption something having 1 kg mass has been turned into energy
But what ?
The total number of proton,neutrons and electrons inside the reactor is still the same
Not even one material particle get lost

Re: The true meaning [Re: AlbertoT] #447555
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What happened to that kilogram?

Re: The true meaning [Re: Hummel] #447556
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The nuclear reactor transfers to the ambient a huge amount of energy mainly in form of heat together with a small amount of mass
The ambient is now 1 kg heavier
Question

Does heat carry mass ?

Re: The true meaning [Re: AlbertoT] #447557
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Yes, as stated previously, E=mc² tells that we can say mass is equal to energy.
So as heat is enery, it can "carry" mass.


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Re: The true meaning [Re: Michael_Schwarz] #447562
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Originally Posted By: Michael_Schwarz
Until you get pulled into a black hole. Weird shit happens when space and time fold in on themselves.

I've read that some physicists doubt the existence of singularities on the grounds that every time a physics problem was "solved" with a possibility for infinity in the mix (as with infinite density), the original understanding was either determined wrong in a number of years or left dubiously inconclusive.

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Re: The true meaning [Re: MasterQ32] #447563
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Originally Posted By: MasterQ32
So as heat is enery, it can "carry" mass.


Nope, heat does not carry mass
Take a radiation, it is made of photons
Photons have energy : e = hf
Where h is the Planck constant and f is the frequency of the radiation
Yet,their mass is null

Re: The true meaning [Re: AlbertoT] #447566
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I have not said that they have mass. The lost kilogram is converted into heat so the heat that is "generated" is equiavalent to 1 kilogram


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