Haha haha...ha.ha..ha.....:( you come to bay city, MI where I live and try to find employment with a full resume....of freelance game design.... Then tell me that people complaining here are all only whiney kids.

@pappenhiemer - I'm saying I don't like what I'm seeing on tv.... But I think there is legitimate reason for protest.....they just don't apparently know what it is.

Sid, that is the best comment I could think of on what Sajeth said.


lostclimate, I don't understand, what you mean by that.
I think at a start point it is sufficient
that they know that they are cheated by the bankers,
and that they are against cheating,
and that the bankers have to pay.

yes, but a protest is about a directed issue. The general "you broke the economy" thing simply isnt true. our economy was shredded by all of us. when instead of 15 years ago marching like this and saying to the federal bank "stop handing out loans hand over foot"... we just took the money and spent it. The only way for us to fix it is to stop over spending, but unless they have a list and some formal research done as to specific possible solutions in a somewhat professional manner, nothing is going to even get through.

Although I feel sorry for you, you can't blame others for your mistakes. Freelance game design is a hobby, not a profession.

Ever been to a country where "we have nothing left" really means having nothing left? I'm not saying you need to take all the bullshit the government and financial elite is throwing at you. But you won't change anything this way. All those people got what they asked for.

The change needs to come from the people themselves - but as long as society's values don't change, society can't change the economy. They got you right by your balls; at 11am you're out protesting, at 1pm you're sitting at McDonald's, at 2pm you're playing with your iPhones, at 3pm you're drinking Coca Cola while watching TV...
Occupy, my ass.

+1 to everything Sajeth says.

... and that is exactly what's happening at occupy wall street. A wide-spread opinion is finally getting out into the public. Just by the response you see all over the world, we should see that something's happening.

I agree that formulating their points would indeed give them more of an argument and make it seem more important, but I'm just glad that there's finally large protests in the one country which has been exporting this type of capitalism for decades.

And, redeemer: uh... no. I don't see how protesting for better democracy and against a strong lobby from the financial sector will clear the path for another Nazi or Soviet regime.


One point they make which I find very important is the huge influence the lobbyists have directly on politics. The video posted by Pappenheimer showed in a nice way: They invite the richest bankers to decide how the economy should work, but I never heard anything about them inviting any poor people when they were discussing and changing the social programs Germany has, last year.

That's just not what democracy is about, and I believe that's pretty much essence of OWS' message.

You make their argument seem a lot more poignant than it actually is. I'm willing to bet that 90% of those involved in the Occupy Wallstreet movement don't have a clue what they're complaining about. All they are doing is encouraging civil unrest, violence and a general defacement of private property. Last time I checked, those things don't stimulate economies.

And actually, this is exactly the path Germany had taken when the Nazi regime came to be. The only difference is that their people had a right to be angry. Following World War I Germany was in a state of total economic collapse, largely because of the Versailles treaty. The incredible rate of inflation at the time made the Mark worth almost less than the paper it was printed on. When civil unrest rose to a boiling point, the Nazi party swooped in. They promised food to the masses, guaranteed a renewed economy, and preached a message of Aryan superiority. The rest is of course history.

Now obviously it hasn't gotten nearly that bad in America at all. In fact, life is quite livable here in the States. But as Sajeth put it, first world people are spoiled, and it could take a lot less to set us off than it did the people in Germany during the '30s. That said, if the Occupy Wallstreet movement was just a little bit bigger and a little more influential, all we would need is a would-be dictator in sheep's clothing.

Oh yeah, didn't I already mention that the Nazi and Socialist parties already support the Wallstreet movement as well?

EDIT: One more thing: you mentioned that no one ever asks the poor man how to run an economy. That is simply because the poor man doesn't know and doesn't care. All he cares about is his own wellbeing.

As I said already, America was originally set up so that you had to be a person of influence even just to vote. The reasoning behind those restrictions was that the rich man cares a lot more about the economy than the poor man does, since he has a bigger stake in it. Rich people also tend to be more informed.

Now let me be clear: injustice against the poor does exist. It really does, and I'm not arguing otherwise. But to give the reins of government over to the masses is simply not the answer.

+1 to everything Germanunkol says!

@ Redeemer and Sajeth:
Don't take your personal experiences
in your limited environment as the status quo of the society.
It simply isn't. Its just a small part of it.
Please take a look at statistics, or, if you don't mind,
have at least a look into the links, I've posted.
You don't have to believe it, but at least try to understand what it is about.

Your understandings of what a movement is are a bit off.
A movement isn't about making sacrifices, as Sajeth suggests,
it is about trying to get influence.
And, trying to get influence doesn't mean to take over the government,
it simply means to participate in decisions,
and support politicians who already care for those issues.

Redeemer,
it is cute that you believe in the competence and integrity of rich people,
but it became quite obviously in 2008 that the rich have been competent
in committing frauds and in scrapping regulations of the financial market
that have been implemented because of an economical breakdown.
It is obvious that they took care for the own private wellbeing,
but didn't care at all for the general worldwide concequences of their doings.

There is indeed much more hypocrisy in the Occupy Wallstreet movement than you're willing to admit, but I find it hard to argue with someone who says such condescending things. I do not believe that the rich are immune to folly, and I am well aware of the bank crisis of 2008. But the state of the American economy, while poor, is not at an all time low, and generally speaking the protesters are blowing their own problems completely out of proportion.

Not all of the current economic problems are the fault of the rich.