well it comes down to this. Do you want a game with a mod-able engine or a game engine. I'd prefer an engine.

every engine needs a body to take it somewhere. Otherwise you go nowhere!

everyone says we must work, so i too need a pay check to feed my body to fuel the engine! revving the engine!!!!!

Hey baby lets ride, co-pilot excepts she says: "only if you have the money honey only then will i drive the stick!"

well am sure some users here that have released some grate addons wouldnt mind working to add them to the engine, yes, for FREE!



umm? oo k then? since when does adding better features to an engine make it a game?

as i said, am quite content with the engine am just saying that if the developers themselves were trying to make a game with it, they'd see and address the limitations we constantly yap about..

well for me I'd rather they spend time and the funding they have working on the engine, and not a game.

You did not understand what they meant. It is easier to see problems, bottlenecks, workflow issues and show stoppers or the power of the scene management, if you make a game. It does not have to be a pretty game, but it should be a complete game project.

But if you only check one feature separated then it might give a wrong picture.

But I am sure that Conitec has some kind of a playground project. Or they just test some of the projects of their customers.

GarageGames has a pile of games they are working on. And they have some affiliates working on quite ambitious projects. And they do some optimizing and testing on several hardware to support even weaker systems for T3D.

Like LordMoggy already mentioned. It is all a matter of money and team size.

THANKS YOU!!! finally some1 sees what i meant... for example, remake a scene from a current gen game.. not a big scene, they cant try to make just any game because as we know gs can handle casual titles greatly...
-torque remade a scene from gears, doesnt look as great but am sure they found their limitations by doing that... OR take some props from dexsoft and throw them into a scene with some shaders, then they'll kno the limits and what needs to be tweaked

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Quoting darkinferno.

Yes, but it might be expected that the price of the product would go up measurably.

Quoting LordMoggy.

How much of that is choice?


Bent in favor and to the flavor of some.

i dont see why the price would go up? for what? adding free implementations such as newton? etc

for the cost of making a game. designing a game costs money.