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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: Lukas] #241199
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@Dan: Thanks for your link! smile

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: Lukas] #241200
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Lukas, why doesn't it make sense? God knows who is going to choose Him and who will not. He also knows what it will take to bring us to that point.

Evidence may be presented for evolution, but it has never proven it. Mr. Silverman is a whole different story.

Oh, was that a joke? wink

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"Lukas, why doesn't it make sense. God knows who is going to choose Him and who will not. He also knows what it will take to bring us to that point."
It does not make sense because why would suffering bring us to god??

"Evidence may be presented for evolution, but it has never proved it. Mr. Silverman is a whole different story."
Oh, with evidence you refered to Dan's accusation? I didn't know that. However, this thread is NOT about Dan's accusation.

"Oh, was that a joke? ;)"
The laugh -smiley usually means that the previous sentence is not quite serious or even a joke wink

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: Lukas] #241207
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Yes, our suffering is to bring us to God. OK. I want you all to come to me, so I am going to make you suffer. A teenager in high schools sees a girl that he would like to ask to the prom. He decides that he needs her to come to him, to believe in him and to accept him. He decides that the best way to do this is to cause her to suffer. So he goes to her and infects her with a disease (stabbing a syringe in her arm). Later, he tells her that if she does not repent (for not yet begging him to go to prom with her) that he will kill her and will be just in doing so.

OK. I admit. That was really a stretch. But to say that someone, even a divine being, allows suffering to bring people into a loving relationship with him ... that is sadistic at best.


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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: Lukas] #241209
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Suffering brings many people to God.

Yes, I know this is not about Mr. Silverman. I would prefer not to discuss anything about him or anything with him. I was being honest with him and telling him that I think he is a liar and that he has no credibility as far as I am concerned. Period.

I knew you were joking smile

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: Dan Silverman] #241212
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I can see that Mr. Silverman does not seem to know God at all which like I said makes sense that he never did. Eternity is more important than anything this world has to offer. That is why God has to break our pride, and yes sometimes cause suffering and put us on our back before we can look up and call out to Him. Some people have to be brought down as low as humanly possible to bring them to that breaking point. Some people refuse to break no matter what.

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Suffering can also bring us closer to God if we know Him. Suffering usually does one of two things. It brings us closer to Him by causing us to trust Him through whatever trials He chooses to bring us through, or it causes us to blame God and/or others and go the other direction. Many people come to God without experiencing suffering. They realize they are sinners in need of the Saviour.

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: smitty] #241216
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Originally Posted By: smitty
God knows who is going to choose Him and who will not. He also knows what it will take to bring us to that point.
he knows beforehand who is going to choose him? where is our free will then if this is already determined?

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If this is the case (that evil had to exist or the universe would be a pointless place, we would all be robots and have no free wil) then what does this say about heaven and the afterlife? According to the Bible, heaven is a place without sin and no evil is allowed there. I am assuming (and, yes, I know this is dangerous) that the Qu'ran teaches something similar about the afterlife. If this is so (according to your logic) then eternity is pointless and those that enter in would have no free will.
this is a good point and came up very often already on this forum. it's really funny to hear it from you again. smile the christian concept of heaven doesn't make any sense.

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Even some Christians confuse God's foreknowledge with predestination. God knows everything. He knows who will choose Him, but He still gives everyone a free will to choose or reject Him.

Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES! [Re: smitty] #241220
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Originally Posted By: smitty
Even some Christians confuse God's foreknowledge with predestination. God knows everything. He knows who will choose Him, but He still gives everyone a free will to choose or reject Him.


..but you don't see the paradox in that?

If God really would know everything, then he would also know what we would do with our free will... meaning our free will is artificial, an illusion at best.

Besides, a lot of people apparently believe God is able to influence their lives on a daily basis.

In fact, that's not quite something that's in favor of free will, especially when people need to pray to be able to get things done their way. wink

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