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Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: kasimir] #212824
06/24/08 12:23
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Originally Posted By: kasimir
is not nice - this way it is possible to program whole games
yes, and because of that discussion shortly before the deadline i have provided a second version which doesn't use obfuscated code and tricks like that. have you seen my second version? i only had to leave away the sound effects and the dust to stay within the limits.

i like your bulldozer game too.

such things happened with every contest poll so far. i think that the popularity of the user in the community plays a big role too so the result always will be kind of unfair. george and the jury should take the poll as a very rough guide only.

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: amy] #212826
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Yeah! Strange things seem to be going on here.

da_lama (Member #11630)
Kahaestoeh (Member #11629)
none (Member #11628)
atayby (Member #11627)
calz054 (Member #11625)

One entry has exactly 5 more votes after those new users have registered. Is this a coincidence? smile



Maybe only "special selected" users should be able to vote in the future?
E.g. more than 10 posts or more than 2 months registered?

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: ] #212831
06/24/08 13:18
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@Ventilator:

sry i didn't saw your second code - so it is nice, but there are much more using codes like this. I didn't thinks that that was the meaning of the contest!

But: "the winners will be decided by our jury (51%) and by the votes at Conitec's forum (49%)"
so the jury decides whats the best laugh

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: ventilator] #212835
06/24/08 14:19
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yes, and because of that discussion shortly before the deadline i have provided a second version which doesn't use obfuscated code and tricks like that. have you seen my second version? i only had to leave away the sound effects and the dust to stay within the limits.


Yeah, everything is a bit irritating. The three most voted entries are also praised for its gameplay and the presentation, but not for their coding. I like that Vent' made a second version that has the same feature set as the "obfuscated" one but still not exceeding the two limits.

If I would'nt had wrote my own entry wink I would be unsure if I would vote for it. Sure, it's tricky ^^ but I just use common tricks to encapsule instructions and only some #define tricks to save some bytes. So, most people are just convinced by the gameplay and the imagery (or people who just like the game... in my case the whole Binärpilot community (which is small.. btw)) and so on.

Also, it could be difficult for people who are not so into programming to see how nice some things are solved to save semicolons.

Its hard to decide I think and it seems that most people just vote for the gameplay part of the particular game. That is not the way the contest has been intended, but who cares.

The voting is always a difficult thing and Vent is right about this. So, here my suggestion for the next contest(s): make 3 prizes chosen by Conitec and one user award decided by a poll like this. The official prizes are higher than the user award (because no one can cheat or the voting is influenced by other circumstances - AND then it is more attractive for developers) and the user award a bit lower,.. like these vouchers or something else.

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Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: HeelX] #212839
06/24/08 14:52
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It is difficult to vote the code, is much easyer to vote for the gameplay.

And the contest-entrys with gameplay are more interssting, you have to spend more time on it when playing!

I don't think its necessary to be a good programmer, most important is the idea (like yours - heelx) behin a project. After the contest deadline i hade some (hopeful) other good ideas...

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: kasimir] #212940
06/25/08 02:52
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in my case the whole Binärpilot community
So you have invited the Binärpilot community over here, eh? :p

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What I ask for is: since you and I are all Binaerpilot fans and I want to win that programming contest, I ask you if you can spend just 2 minutes of your time to vote for me. All you have to do is:

1.) Register as a new user on the following game developing board: http://www.coniserver.net/ubb7/ubbthreads.php?ubb=newuser
2.) Atfer registred and logged in, go to the following thread: http://www.coniserver.net/ubb7/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=211770#Post211770
3.) Click on "a7titude by Christian Behrenberg" and then on "Vote".

Thats all smile every help and every click counts and if I win, I owe you a beer (or two)!

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http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=498299
http://www.gameproducer.net/forums/showthread.php?p=7404

I wouldn´t really call this cheating but it isn´t really fair either.

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: amy] #212957
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For me HeelX is OUT!

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Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: ] #212960
06/25/08 05:24
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yes that isn't fair, but i think that he is not alone with that!

but his game is quite good, so i wouldn't say that he is OUT, don't forget the Jury decides to 51%!!!

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: kasimir] #212971
06/25/08 07:06
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History showed us the jury decides with the crowd.
What HeelX (and maybe others) did is not fair - but HeelX was that stup... to get cought. Of cause it's not illegal - but unfair.

This way the 3DGS contest slightly becomes a "activate as many voters as possible however you can" contest.

Poor thing...

For me HeelX did someting reprehensible and the votes for his entry are worth nothing to me!

Re: Summer 2008 demos uploaded [Re: ] #212976
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For me it is okay if I'm out. It is your choice. You like it and that is enough for me. Nevertheless, I had no feedback over there so it doesn't matter if you burn me. I will still give my best on future projects and you can't say that making that game is cheated, too.



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