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Re: A little door. [Re: PHeMoX] #131997
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@Robotronic,
Pretty cool man. I understand what your saying. Thumbs up

Re: A little door. [Re: NITRO777] #131998
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Hey Robotronic,

your second post was a bit less wacky than the first one, and included less 'God' and 'He' instances, so people will take you a bit more seriously now(at least me).

Don't think you're the only person whose searching for himself. It's true, that some ain't, but a lot of em are. And just because they haven't come up with seals and keys doesn't mean they're off while you're right on the money. Seriously, how old are you? If you're anything like me, you'll be changing theories every year... every half a year. So you can't expect everyone else start pondering about the temple you found; that's like starting a new religion. To my knowledge, every religion is based on some hidden truths, which benefit the people who follow them, but they're also clouded by a lot of metaphors and stories that easily get misunderstood. Now if you really feel that you found something, and you think you can visualise it better with temples and keys, that's fine, but if you want others to take you seriously, it might be better to sweep the extra stuff away and give them the real facts about what you really found, and how this changes your life.

Just my two cents.. and love doesn't mean sex. They're two different feelings, unique in every way


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Re: A little door. [Re: LarryLaffer] #131999
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If one does not seek for himself, he doesn't know himself.

Thing that I have told to myself many times, in many instances:
Seek the past and you will find your way to future.

Searching for my own self, I can learn the things that people don't see in me. The dark and the light side, the goods and the bads.

To be honest, when you have your key to the little door, you aren't supposed to find new key, but to alter the key in your hand. The key given to you will open all the seals and locks.

Amount of time used does not implify the amount of progress.

For the sex thing. Sex is one of the many ways to show your love against other person. Love is the feeling inside, you the burning and hurting feeling inside you giving you strength to care of the person.


"Yesterday was once today's tomorrow."
Re: A little door. [Re: LarryLaffer] #132000
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Now if you really feel that you found something, and you think you can visualise it better with temples and keys, that's fine, but if you want others to take you seriously, it might be better to sweep the extra stuff away and give them the real facts about what you really found, and how this changes your life.




One of my roommates tried to convince me with a story about temples and keys too (3 months ago or something I think) and although anyone can imagine something when hearing his story, I think it's nonsensical when it comes to 'finding yourself' or even finding God.

I really wonder why people believe in God because of some coincidental or even predictable events together with these kind of stories and the bible.
When I stepped on a scale this morning it said 66.6Kg, should I believe in the devil now knowing 666 is the number usually indicating him?? No, off course not, because my weight in pounds is a totally different number. So.. basically numbers say little to nothing (lol, except that I can eat without caring about my weight atm ). So I ask myself, why 7 keys? Or 6? Why temples?

To be honest, your way of telling in your first post was very similar to what my Christian roommate said, but isn't that strange? As in it has nothing to do with God, but only with how people try to convince someone and their predefined methods? :s

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Don't think you're the only person whose searching for himself. It's true, that some ain't




You don't have to find anything if nothing is lost.

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Seek the past and you will find your way to future.




Why not let the past be the past and move on instead of living in the past? Every day is a new day, why not take advantage of that fact? Is someone's past really important for someone's future? Unless someone has a major trauma because of his/her past, then yes, "solving" these old problems would definitely make one's life a whole lot better. There are a lot of people who have no such problems though,

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Re: A little door. [Re: PHeMoX] #132001
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When I stepped on a scale this morning it said 66.6Kg, should I believe in the devil now knowing 666 is the number usually indicating him?? No, off course not, because my weight in pounds is a totally different number. So.. basically numbers say little to nothing (lol, except that I can eat without caring about my weight atm ). So I ask myself, why 7 keys? Or 6? Why temples?





Witch!!! Buurn him!

I see your point btw, but although kilos are just a metric system, the 6 or 7 keys is as simple as that.. Like, some people believe in the 7 deadly sins. I don't.. but I did like the movie. anyway, you can see the difference.


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Don't think you're the only person whose searching for himself. It's true, that some ain't




You don't have to find anything if nothing is lost.





We have an old saying in Greece which has also become pretty popular worldwide: "Know Thyself". Later on, Ghandi said it, Nostradamus, Nietzsche, Einstein.. Can you say all these people were just... comfused?


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Re: A little door. [Re: LarryLaffer] #132002
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We have an old saying in Greece which has also become pretty popular worldwide: "Know Thyself". Later on, Ghandi said it, Nostradamus, Nietzsche, Einstein.. Can you say all these people were just... comfused?




Confused hehehe, Nietzsche?? Definitely! Hehehe, just kidding, no, I see your point, however I really think the 'assumption' that everyone who doesn't believe is 'lost somehow' is just another clever psychological pressure which justification I simply find extremely doubtable.

I agree there's a difference between 'thinking to know' and 'knowing', however the difference from our own individual perspectives is irrelevant because we can't really know for sure if we are right about what we think to know. So why "worry" as these religions seem to more or less 'demand'?

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Re: A little door. [Re: PHeMoX] #132003
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Confused hehehe, Nietzsche?? Definitely! Hehehe, just kidding, no, I see your point, however I really think the 'assumption' that everyone who doesn't believe is 'lost somehow' is just another clever psychological pressure which justification I simply find extremely doubtable.





believe in what?


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I agree there's a difference between 'thinking to know' and 'knowing', however the difference from our own individual perspectives is irrelevant because we can't really know for sure if we are right about what we think to know. So why "worry" as these religions seem to more or less 'demand'?





Who said anything about religion? I don't know what Robotronic is talking about with his temples, but I'm not religious, neither was Einstein and Nietzsche. But that doesn't mean we have to stop looking for answers altogether. So what I'm saying is, yourself is a great place to start.


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Re: A little door. [Re: LarryLaffer] #132004
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believe in what?




Believing to be 'lost', either spiritual, morally or whatever other way people 'can' be lost. It makes no sense to me to even assume something like that, unless someone has mental health problems.

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Who said anything about religion? I don't know what Robotronic is talking about with his temples, but I'm not religious, neither was Einstein and Nietzsche. But that doesn't mean we have to stop looking for answers altogether. So what I'm saying is, yourself is a great place to start.




The whole idea is not explicitly limited to religion at all, basically it is similar to what many religions claim. (As in for example 'search and you will find (God)', but then I think to myself 'why do I have to search in the first place?')

Knowledge is very relative, we will never know everything, every detail, every answer. Every answer we do figure out usually means a dozen more questions to answer.

It seems I'm the only one on this planet not having problems with the fact that our knowledge will be limited forever, we will never know everything, big deal... I'm not saying we should therefore not try to figure out the answers to a lot of these questions we have off course. Discovery isn't one of mankind's favorite things for nothing and that's good,

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Re: A little door. [Re: PHeMoX] #132005
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You guys just want to get me out of my temple

@ Phemox: "Believing to be 'lost', either spiritual, morally or whatever other way people 'can' be lost."

The oracle says: NO. The whole procedure here is like this: find the living God for you. For some people God is a source of joy, others have a headache because of Him.
Some people fear Him, others love Him. Some people do both.
Someone believes in justice. Someone believes in love.
And it absolutely doesnīt matter, how you call it.
Someone can be a die-hard atheist and be very close to Him.

But I think, that you might need more imagination. For me it is almost a surprise, that people, who work with virtual reality and such stuff have so much trouble with the basics ...

Reality != Truth

A mythos, a fable can be more true, than 1000 pages of selected "hard facts" ...
And what is just "normal" reality in a particular time and space, can be a huge crime a few years later - think of fascism for example ...


@ Larry

I really love your comments. Itīs good to have someone from Greece on board.
Knowledge is indeed one key aspect.

I love this one:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

Sun Tzu, The art of war


For me everything is linked. God is spirit. A huge living spirit. You canīt define spirits. You can come to an idea, which seems logical, and contradiction-free, tested with your experience and scriptures, but not a full definition.
God is simply too big for this.

The temple, btw. stands for a project of mankind.

Itīs not Robotronics private temple.

Most people underestimate the possibilities of the human mind, to imagine the whole. Maybe it was more simple in previous time: less information, more time for reflection or more time to work with the information. I do not need detail knowledge about everything, but a good idea. Anyway, it is not pure logic or philosophy ...

And about the keys, the seals, the number seven ...

Maybe itīs just an old habit? Only God knows such things

Re: A little door. [Re: Robotronic] #132006
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Another day, another key. And while the curious fishes look for the next key, each one realizes, that he already has a special key and found his key somewhere in the ocean, before he found the little door.

These two lines are identical:

Their keys have found them.
They found their key.

While the keys have different shapes and colours, they all have the same name: "opinion".

Every fish is now trying his key and there seems to be some progress with every fish and every attempt: the lock works like a clockwork. Finally the second seal breaks apart. The name of this seal is: "separation".

The spirit of separation is a child of the spirit of the world.

It is however important to know, that we start our lives as mystics: swimming in the little ocean in our mothers body, protected - someone takes care of us. There is no necessity to make a difference between us and everything else, because there is harmony.

____


Separation isnīt nice and the first encounter with this spirit is brutal: the moment, when we see the light of this world for the first time, when the umbilical cord is cut off.

But we realize it slowly and sometimes painfull over the years: we have to learn - if we like it or not - our first lessons of the "principle of reality" - the awareness, that our "Ego" is separated from others. These "others" are not always friendly ...

I remember a key experience, when I had just entered elementary school. Another kid asked me his favorite question: "Which side do you support: Bavaria or 60?" - Bavaria Munich and Munich 1860 are the two soccer teams of my hometown. I choose the wrong team (from the other kids perspective), he hit me and I learned, that it is a good idea to have an opinion about this issue - at least in this world. Since the schoolyard bullys were all Bavaria Munich fans I decided to fully agreed with them. This changed later, when I entered my socialist period, where one was expected to support the underdogs (Munich 1860). I have to admit, that football (soccer) only rarely played a big role in my life.

People have strong opinions about everything, from the preferred soccer team to the middle east conflict to ... well, everything.

How do we come to our opinions?
Can we trust them?
Should we take them serious?

Every human being developps ideas, opinions, attitudes, persons. The word "person" comes from latin and means "mask". We play our person, like actors on a stage.
Our opinions and attitudes are part of it. As kiddies we sometimes change our masks completely, some people remain players for their entire life, their role becomes such a perfect and successfull routine, that they do not even question it anymore.

For me Shakespeare expressed it very nice:

Lifeīs but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more; it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

(Macbeth)

The funny thing is: we enjoy this whole carnival. We like to go to the battlefields with our opinions, defend them, attack others for the sake of its own or in order to find out weakness. And it is even more exciting, when we really believe in our persons, attitudes etc. And as long as it doesnīt hurt the inner logic of the constructed person / mask, thereīs also no problem with spin, exaggeration, lies ...

Another funny thing: groups (like political parties, nations, faith systems) can act in a similar way, just like the individuals, who identify with them. They are like larger "bodys" with a mind, defense mechanisms etc. From time to time they even enjoy a little war with another group, which can - if the experience was strong enough - even lead to a longer peaceful period.

It is like a game: the goal is to be the winner, to be on top.

Actually it is complex, there are many groups, one can be a member of xyz associations and our general attitude is also influenced by instincts, DNA etc.

But there are always these little brief moments, when we are reminded, that something isnīt true, that it could be different. Such moments can come, when we identify with "others", when we understand, that the humiliated "enemy" might be us.

In a war it can happen, that - even if you identify with Team A - , when accidentally you read a little story somewhere about a killed human being from Team B - you start to cry.

You know, that killing is part of the game.

Strange incidents, that one can only avoid by closing at least one eye.

There are still five keys and five seals.

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