Hello

I have been using 3dgs for about 3 monthes and I am happy about it
However going through some forum I have been surprised to read some very bad reviews
Ok up to a certain extent it is a matter of opinion
But how can some people claim that it is impossible ( not hard , impossible) to create a real game using 3dsg ?
Maybe some demos but forget a complete game, they say
Since after a period training I want to start my game, must I expect any bad surprises in the future ?
I realize that asking this question here can sound a little silly
However some reviews were so harsh that I suspectd that the author was not even in good faith but, a doubt....

Agreed. Several games have been made with 3dgs.

Maybe you can complain 3dgs isnt' wroth the money, that's fair, but most of them try to compare it to doom 3. and until 3dgs cost in the 1/2millon+ range, they are just showing how stupid they are.

I agree 100% with indiGLOW & FoxHound both!

When somebody doesn't have the patience to learn the tools then if they can't get it on their first try, they're going to give up instantly. It's like some gamers and their video games, if they can't beat a hard level on the first try then they hand the controller to a friend to complete as they go off on a rage. I see that happen a lot around people. When somebody here's something good about 3DGS and it just seems so easy to do, they get their hands on it and can't quite understand how to do a majority of things in the first 24 hours they have it. These are the people who tend not to take the time to go over the MANY tutorials 3DGS offers, who don't take the time to research ANSWERS on the forums you can find everywhere, and who don't even check the Wiki.

I'm sure if those people who give the engine bad reviews took a while longer than they have to actually learn it, then they would have a definite change of heart.

Agreeing with me is always a good thing to do.

Welll... like somebody said.. people dont design their games as often as they should.

They gather up a team of the most skilled individuals money can buy.. but then they wing the game as they go along.

Also, there is this preoccupation with money instead of making the game which would = money if done right. So many people believe they should be contracted and given a signing bonus...not that their time and skill isnt worth anything.. but it certainly isnt unique enough that I am going to pay you astronomical amounts of money that would leave everyone else pretty poor.

I am bad at math but for whatever reason good with graphics.. I would not even try programming in light of that (well actually I did try.. but I never can seem to grasp programming of any kind really).

The engine itself is not a bad tool...not the best but unless you want to spend 10 thousand to 5 million for high end software, I'd suggest you learn to do the best you can.. which judging from most of what I have seen done here, is a far cry from the best this engine is capable of. There is also alot of open source work that can be done to enhance your engine..and alot of times that's what it takes.

I talk to Nadester regularly about his game, Biyu Biyu Rocket..and alot of the things he needed for the game..he wrote into his engine. That's the kind of open heart surgery you have to do sometimes.

Personally, the only reason I'd want to quit on game development is because circumstances just dont seem to agree with me finding a team with which to create... which they dont but I have at least blind faith in the possibility I'll kidnap some people to work for me successfully.. eventually . In the meantime I have design documents from here to Ya-Ya, because I dont want to give up on my work.

Frustration? Maybe they are overwhelmed by the concept of what it really takes to develop a game application? AAA companies have mountains of flops before they get their big sellers.

Lots of people want or even dream of making games. For me it was a small dream but, a dream nonetheless. The reality is it takes a lot of work and different skills to bring it all together. It is also rare, if at all, there are those who can "do it all".

This is why teams are important. If you have GameStudio, then you can work on projects and learn. While you get experience and practice at the skills you enjoy, you can explore other areas of development. If you become very skilled in one or two or more areas, there might even be opportunities to freelance your work for a few coins. Your hobby can pay off in more ways than one, if you are dedicated.

Today I was browsing through the manual and saw it has a lot of good information to START with, including a little intoduction to trigonomatry. This however is a GameStudio A6 engine manual and not an encyclopedia of 3D graphics.

To "Know your Reference" means that you must get more books or digital reference material. Get as much material as you can to support the environment, and the manual. Take your time, browse through it to "know where to look" when the need arises.

Having the tools is nice, having the drive to do something with them is something else. I'm thankful for what I have, and will make the most of it as I am able Thanks again Conitec!

Thanks all

However I dont' think I made myself understood
Well,may be there is not a real answer to my question
I dont care if Mr x claims that Torque is better while mr Y supports 3dsg
That's life
I am an hobbyest game programmer , the most important issues for me are :

stability and ease of use.

I am not intersted in super advanced features or super fast rendering which I will never take advantage of
I dont want to design Doom 3 but a complete "low level " game, yes I do
The point is that no other engines receives so harsh critics
I was going to quote some of them but I thought it is not fair
Summing up , they claim ;

"Ok you can easly code a demo or a fragment of game , but if you want to put the pieces togheter , then 3dsg let you down "

To date, I made "fragments of game" only and I must say that 3dsg is the best engine I have ever tried ( out of 4)
However I am scared for the future...