Well , i use several 3D engines ,from TV3D 6.5 , BV engine , Ogre3D
some others open source to 3DGS commercial

what i can see in ogre3D and TV3D : the shaders can be used
and modified by some simple lines of code directly

here in 3DGS all people post is own WDL script , or fx file with some script
and you must specify some things ,textures etc ....

why not unifiying all that ?
-using every time skins 1 to n
instead of putting fixed ones in script ?
- always use the sun and allow one or more dynamic lights ?
or none if not necessary ?
- put every shader in FX file and give teh little script to use it ?
- for every shader give the same sample : a rotating sphere with the shader
applied to it ?

this way for every shader : we coudl find the same example : a rotating sphere :
people download the running sample , couls see it , try it , and use the FX file and paste in their project the little code to use it

because from a foreign eye of someoen that already use shaders with others engines : here this is a circus
always people sayign it don't work, what do i have ot do etc ... etc ...

with hthe same downloadable sample , it could only run
and using always FX files would make all fitting together more unified for the community

that's just my advice now all shaders guru here can continue like they
fell héhéhhéééh

but for community if i was admin in shader topics :
i would accept only unified shaders like i said in the little sphere
runnnign downloadable sample !

that's two years (and more sure ) that shaders are poor here , not a lot
, not unified , a real pain , why not changing the things and bring some
structure here ?

it was just a quick idea , now all people is free to thins and conitnue as they want
or vote for unified things

interesting idea

I agree!

It's an interesting idea(and a good one), but proposing it and doing it are two different things. It would take someone with shaders knowledge and the drive/enthusiasm to do it. Plus, there's the maintenance/upkeep, afterwards. It would make for a nifty, 3DGS tech demo if executed properly.

I also think it would be nice for any and all 3DGS tech demos that come out from now on to use the same unified visual style(and something that looks modern). That way there's a consistency which makes a better impression on potential customers.

I have to say i dont entirely understand this suggestion. Shaders are all going to be different in some respects, becasue they do differetn things. They already use the same texture and variable naming conventions, because of the A6 interface.. so what do you really suggest actually be done?

Poeple can use FX files if they want, or include the effect in the wdl script. this is for flexibility..the effect is the same.

So please xplain what you mean more clearly.

There is the shader editor on the forecast for simplifing shader usage.

that's it

i don't say to all shaders to look same , caus it wouldn't be shader.

i just say actually , if you want to use shaders with lights , that's not easy task,

when i say unified i mean : no more fixed parameters in code like :
fixed textures like :
texture1 = "grass.bmp" instead use skins like some people do

fixed lights :
ligh1 == 0.5,0.5,0.5 etc ...
instead use some variables parameters for position and colour : this way
any 3DGS user could use it's own light or sun if he wants ,and manage himself
what of the lights of it's level would affect what shader he wants ( with distance if he wants etc ..)

code shaders put on 3DGS functions or material definition :
-unify that and put them on FX Files instead :
it would be better for all
and to maintain programs and read them is a lot more easy to have
a script file doing only what is necessary :
no pollution code.

- put a simple cube or sphere example with all the code ready to download and
use :
it would be a lot better for community instead of each time copy some code from
page and have errors :
and this way the shader woudl be sure to work caus tested and ready to use


well ... there is more than two years that i'm here i really like 3DGS
and , it's two years shaders a really low
in number , the code is pread all around the site !
even the sticky don't refer all shaders snippets that we can find by digging a little.

My idea is some unified way of writting shaders and deliver them to 3DSG people that could easily tweak the and use them.

I say , but i don't do it , caus i'm very bad in shader programming and knowledege !
and i really really hate maths

if it wasn't the case, i would do.
but i knwo w hat i can do :
perhaps i'll take one or two snippets from the site, put them in a FX file ,verify they use teh skins or lights parameters and no fixed ones in script and put the minimum script to use them with
some comments and the downloadable example

I don't say that for me but for all 3DGS people and any new user that would come
and could find shaders ready to use and tweak with simple coments :
all in smae format : FX File , and some simple script code.

This idea is not neeeded in genreal, because as said shaders follow a naming convention.

entSkin1,entSkin2, etc..
vecLightPos[8]
vecLightColor[8]
etc..

most veriables have the same names. Some shaders have special kinds of matrices and variables needed, in this case they use mtlmatrix, and vecSkills and so on.
Internal variables in HLSL doesnt matter what names used there.

So frankly I dont see any point to this suggestion, at least in terms of programming.

OK !

what you variables you say , are standard shaders ones , it's ok with these or
matrix, what i said i was not ok with fixed lights or fixed textures,
and effects described in script instead of giving a working smaple with a
FX file t oforce everybody to use FX Files and forget the bad method to
describe the material in script

so it can continue like that

It would be cool to find all 3DGS existing shaders in the wiki , there are only some , not all you can find by digging ,
yes a real library with all , and not just code , all downloadable
but it's utopia

for my part it's a lot more easy to have shaders fixed in the engine like TV3D or Ogre3D, just a call in some easy lines and that's it , no matrices
problems, and only closest lights are taken account.

well i just hope future 3DGS shader editor , will bring fast and easy to apply shaders , no more time loosing
no more problems