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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/12/08 17:29
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While they're at it, they might as well change the Bible,
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they haven't changed it before, to my knowledge. i think their higher powers (particularly the infallible Pope) can change their rules/rituals/etc to be far from the Bible, but it's a sin to add-to or take-from the Scriptures.
i can't be sure, though. i'm not Catholic.
julz
If that's truly a sin, then they've sinned a lot through time. Read all about it in the libraries of older churches in Europe, especially France, Germany, Netherlands and so on. If you think it's something local think again because the difference between all Bibles are quite minimal,
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/12/08 22:35
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yeah but there wasn't always a Bible. it had to be compiled to begin with by some people. when whatever powers-that-be at the time had determined which scriptures and letters were kept, they left it at that (mostly, anyway).
the main thing, i think, is that they can't add their own scriptures. all the books in the New Testament were written really early AD. imagine looking through a new edition of the Bible that had a book written last year.
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/13/08 18:08
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They don't add books you say? Well, perhaps not this century and perhaps not last century (at least to my limited knowledge it has not occurred very recently), but it happened quite a few times throughout history. Even in this century there have been discussions about books that might 'belong' in the bible (after all) and others that are 'outdated' and need to be rewritten to fit the modern contexts. Especially the latter happened on great scale. Really, they change and have changed more than you would think, but you won't find out about it just by looking at the titles of the chapters or even books that are in there. Quote:
all the books in the New Testament were written really early AD. imagine looking through a new edition of the Bible that had a book written last year.
Well, probably no one would notice or care, because a.) the original content only exists in form of copies that are already altered anyways and b.) extreme alterations hardly ever occur all at once, but gradually.
There are some examples that come to mind. For example the "virgin" Mary and certain properties of Jesus. It's a fact that at some point women became too powerful because of what was written in the bible about Mary and it's the one reason why 'Jesus' became 'the son of God'. They've kept a vote about this. It's one of many alterations through time and although big ones like this may seem like rare at first sight, it's the gradual overall change of the whole document through time that really matters here.
In short, we wouldn't notice if certain books now are a page longer or shorter than say 100 years ago. Don't forget that because of the way the Bible is written, there are a lot of things that are quite multi-interpretable, let alone the choices translators face anyway in deciding how to translate all that. Really all they have to do is do a reprint. We have had a reprint of the Dutch Bible just a year ago and it's very different. The whole ancient language thing has been converted to something 'modern'. There are countless nuances to be found that could have been translated differently from the older (also Dutch) Bibles we have/had,
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/13/08 23:02
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There are some examples that come to mind. For example the "virgin" Mary and certain properties of Jesus. It's a fact that at some point women became too powerful because of what was written in the bible about Mary and it's the one reason why 'Jesus' became 'the son of God'.
that's not a fact. that's something you've heard.
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We have had a reprint of the Dutch Bible just a year ago and it's very different. The whole ancient language thing has been converted to something 'modern'.
who cares? there are so many different translations. there are quite a few that have no numbered verses because they change the structure of it too much so it could be written in more modern language.
a few times experts wondering how damaging these different translations are have compared popular modern translations with the oldest scriptures available and only really had disputes over 1 in every 10 000 words.
anyway, this isn't a hilbert's hotel thread. it's not a general religious argument thread. it's a thread discussing thoughts on the 7 new deadly sins.
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/14/08 16:12
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There are some examples that come to mind. For example the "virgin" Mary and certain properties of Jesus. It's a fact that at some point women became too powerful because of what was written in the bible about Mary and it's the one reason why 'Jesus' became 'the son of God'.
that's not a fact. that's something you've heard.
No, it's a fact, there are documents that describe exactly this... written by mostly the Church's own "historians".
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/14/08 16:30
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No, it is a fact. Shockingly some leave the kitchen, ditch offspring caring responsibilities, drive around, and earn their own money. I've heard they can even vote. That's right, instead of merely casting spells, they cast votes, and probably spells on votes to be cast. They all float on missing stakes, my friend. However, I think a short and long breed canine takeover is more likely.
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/14/08 16:44
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Hahahaha, you crack me up testDummy!  Still, you are very right, as usual I might say... But considering how much value religious people put into 'written documents that are very old', it's definitely a 'fact' by comparison, Cheers
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Re: 14 deadly sins
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03/15/08 13:11
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just saying the same thing without supporting it with any evidence is really just spam. can you just leave this thread be? if you really want to start a discussion about it, go to hilbert's so it can join the many other pointless threads where atheism and theism compete.
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i guess for you they would be deadly, wouldn't they?