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Re: WII play : [Re: Samb] #145919
10/11/07 10:16
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Compare the Wii version of BASS fishing with the old Dreamcast game. You'll notice that the differences are very small... this means either game studios are only doing quick and cheap ports, or Wii hardware is not all that much better....

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this means either game studios are only doing quick and cheap ports, or Wii hardware is not all that much better....


it's the former, and a little bit of the latter. wii hardware is supposed to be at least a fair bit better than the original xbox, and the original xbox shat on its competition in terms of hardware capabilities.

i wouldn't say it's next gen, but for example the boost in shader support sets it well-apart from the non-xbox last generation consoles. mario galaxy looks great, and it's mostly thanks to groovy shader effects. though, as samb said, there's definitely a step-up in on-screen polies.

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Re: WII play : [Re: JibbSmart] #145921
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this means either game studios are only doing quick and cheap ports, or Wii hardware is not all that much better....



Well Metroid Pime 3 shows what the Wii can do - even though it's still not even pushing its graphics capabilities. Most of the other Wii games are litterally....just cheap ports that the devlopers tacked on Wii controls to.

It looks good, but i'm very sure the Wii is quite capable of a lot more.


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Re: WII play : [Re: Neuro] #145922
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it looks good, but not next gen...

Re: WII play : [Re: FBL] #145923
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it looks good, but not next gen...




So if it looks good, where is the point?

Re: WII play : [Re: HeelX] #145924
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it could look better if Wii had better hardware.

Re: WII play : [Re: FBL] #145925
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The problem with WII, is that have not brought some two essentials shaders:
-Normal mapping
-specular mapping (or i haven't seen any game using it ?)

it has water, some mirror,some light effects , but not these ones.

And the normal mapping combined with specular that's what can show
more real weapons metal or anything else.
-the specular make metal shine depending on the direction, can be used for lot of other things (floor etc ..)
-normal just make textures no more flat , now you have depth in them like floor
in some games or make objects/characters look incredibly detailled and not flat.

That's too shaders are really essential today and Nintendo prefered low CPU/GPU
instead of boost them , and erhaps put the price somewhat more up.
Lot of WII games today , are not that great and look like last PS2 and
a lot very far from quality of God Of War 2 on PS2

We know that only Nintendo games will save the console , and that's why some of us have baught it :
Zelda,MArio Kart,Mario Galaxy,Metroid.

i wait also fun simple arcade(somwhat cool retro gaming) like gun shoothing :
Links crossbow, Dragon Quest Swords ...

and an original one :
no more heroes (i liked Killer 7 totally original)

Re: WII play : [Re: TheExpert] #145926
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The problem with WII, is that have not brought some two essentials shaders:
-Normal mapping
-specular mapping (or i haven't seen any game using it ?)




lol
mario galaxy got both


(I hope 4players allows direct linking)
oh, twilight princess got normal mapping too!


mario galaxy use everykind of effect, render to texture, fur,spec and normal mapping,environment mapping etc.

its just harder to programm without direct X

@firoball
is that compare of the fishing game a joke?
its like ninja bread man is the best wii can do because they don't enhance the graphics

naaah it's jsut quick money.

Re: WII play : [Re: Samb] #145927
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Calling Twilight Princess Nextgen is a joke.

Play it apn a HDTV and you know why it is clearly *NOT* next gen. I was even shocked on my small tv about the blurry graphics.

The game is good though, but graphics. No, not anywhere near next gen.


Please, take off your Nintendo glasses and try some other consoles as well to see what really is next gen.
Wii is fine and fun to play - but no. It is not next gen - at least not what you'd expect from next gen.

Re: WII play : [Re: FBL] #145928
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@firoball
I played the "next gen" consoles, but I don't like the games. the only reason I would buy a nextgen console was sonic. well the nextgen sonic is total bullshit, so I got no reason to buy a nextgen console.

I know wii isn't a nextgen graphic console. I never said that. ALSO twilight princess isn't even on the Wii graphic level, 'cause it's a gamecube game. and with a component cable you won't see anything blurred.
you just can't say "twilight princess got bad graphics". also, you can't say mario galaxy got bad graphics. ofcourse, the models aren't made of thousands of polys and hundreds of shadereffects, but they don't look bad.
I don't buy a console game for 69€, just because it's "next gen". and I don't buy a console for games like gears of war or halo3. no, I just want to play games that are fun. and mario galaxy looks like alot of fun. I can live without next gen graphics. and my money pocket thanks me for that

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