Why did Jesus Christ sacrifice his life , then ?
The original sin is a milestone of Christian faith

The original sin doctrine is certainly not a milestone and is not even Christian. Its not contained in the Bible and not taught by Jesus, but was only invented in the 2nd century AC by a bishop named Irenaeus.

It's probably right after the whole Jesus myth of resurrection was invented in the first place and very short after they decided and voted on whether or not Jesus was the son of God.

So if the 'original sin doctrine' isn't Christian, then Jesus isn't either.

Also, and could be wrong, but I thought both are mentioned in the Bible.

Of course its contained in the Bible:


Also it permeates the life and teachings of Christ,its all throughout the Old testament also. But any further elaboration to people who clearly have their minds already made up would be useless. I have a feeling that I could show a hundred Biblical references which clearly illustrate the point but it would simply waste my time.

Spirit

You did not answer my question
Why did Jesus Christ die on the cross , then ?

True, but it's not because I'm biased or close minded, I'm neither of that, I simply have a different point of view on the Bible itself and whether or not any of the content is reliable and credible information. I think it's not for a lot of reasons and I think it's pretty clear that the historical value is extremely low if not non-exist,... and well, that's simply where we disagree I guess.

??I was actually agreeing with you.

The point I was referring to was about whether the doctrine of original sin is contained in the Bible. Which it is clearly outlined in almost every book. Its such a central theme to the Biblical writings themselves it would be useless for me to try to argue the point. Its like trying to argue whether the earth exists...its just a waste of time.

And also you dont have to believe the Bible in order to have a discussion about what is contained therein.

The question on the floor is whether the Bible allows for extraterrestrials, you don't have to believe the Bible to discuss that either.

It is only a question of what is in the book, not whether or not you believe it to be true.

Original sin is indeed not mentioned in Scripture. Some concepts that many people think are Christian such as the Trinity and the original sin, only became Christian doctrine for political reasons after the council of Nicea. Jesus never said anything of original sin. He would probably have been dismayed by such an idea.


That simply means what it says. Adam was the first sinner and all other men also have sinned, and thus we are doomed to death even when our sin was not similar to Adams, which was disobedience. We are punished not for Adams but for our own sins of course.

Jesus also was not sacrificed for Adams sin, he was sacrificed for all peoples sins even when they are not Christian, and even for extraterrestrials.

Do you mean that all men became sinners because of Adam's sin ?
If so, you accept the " original sin " even though it is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible
Orherwise , if someone after Adam, did not commit any crime, how can you explain that nobody was allowed to enter the heaven, before Jesus's sacrifice ?
Moreover if Jesus sacrificed his life for the salvation of all people , extraterrestrials included , I suppose you expect an other advent to wash the sins of the last 2000 years and then an other one and so on till the end of the world..
Or should I understand that his sacrifice was valid also for future sins committed by the future generations , extraterrestrials included ?

P.S.

I apologizes if some Christians get offended of such easy irony
The point is that I stand on fundementalist side
Liberal christians try to explain in term of common sense what it is just a matter of faith
Either you beleive or you do not beleive
I dont...

Well, we are sinners because we sin. How is that hard to understand?

A sin is something you commit. If you were a sinner even without sinning, the word "sin" would not make much sense anymore, don't you agree?

And yes, of course Jesus's sacrifice was for future sins also. Or do you seriously think Jesus has to reappear every 100 years to be sacrificed for those who sinned inbetween? Jesus' death was a sacrifice by God to us. Jesus was sacrificed to compensate for all human imperfectness that causes us to sin. By devouring His flesh and blood, we accept the sacrifice and don't blame God to have made us this imperfect.