Some people really make we wanna kill them

Sooo...
Long story:

At about Oct. 9 I started making a Typo3 website project for a client, together with a freelancer who is an expert in typo3. I paid him for his work well after he finished it each time.
As neither me, nor my client, had a server capable of running typo3 we hosted the project for the time being on his server.

About 3 days ago, we had a big argument, because he started doing less and less work and I had to do most of it on my very own. Point was, he didn't like to take orders from a "19-year-old kiddy" (not looking at the fact, I'm just 17, which would have made matters worse). He decided to drop out and give me 1 hour to backup all data.

I of course, instantly started to make file backups aswell as database backups. As I still didn't have a server to try it out on, i relied on the good hoping he at least held his last promise to give me time to backup the entire project I had done to that very point.

Now I finally found a new server to host the project on, and I found out, that the entire database has been reset to the stand of the 9. Oct., which was the date the project was set-up on.

So now I'm here, a project, literally back at the beginning, and the deadline coming end of this month.

To put my point clear: Can I sue that ba$tard?

I mean, he literally deleted MY work, that *I* have done. Isn't that some sort of illegal act?

edit: I go to the believe that he has a backup on his own, in case I would decide to come "crawling back". I have no proof of that, but It's what I do belive from his personality. Assuming that he does, is there any way I can force him to give it back out?

Before suing ask nicely. Only take out a stick when no other recourse is possible. Google cache saves certain portions of the site - probably text only- but you can try (read about it here http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/01/browsing-web-using-google-cache.html) and the waybackmachine at the Internet Archive backs up some stuff - probably only text as well but you can try http://www.archive.org/index.php

My vote is for 'just ask'. Assuming you paid him for the work then you are entitled to a copy.

Actually, this situation is a great way for you to prove that you do have the necessary maturity. Ask nicely and be professional. Calling him a "ba$tard", creating threads with titles like "Some people really make we wanna kill them" and suing him over an argument does not scream "super-professional-attitute" to me ... actually, it sounds more like 17-year-old-kiddy.


EDIT: Or maybe just ask him to be your friend on Myspace. I think thats how conflicts are resolved these days. Remember to use at least five exclamation points and also lots of smileys like "^_^", "XD!!!!" and "^_o''".

don't you have a written contract with the guy?

besides the main point: (sorry for off-topic)
Typo3 is just "another" CMS using MySQL/PHP as far as I know. So why not use XAMPP for offline testing?
It provides all kind of server functionalities, like MySQL Databases, PHP Apache Server, Perl etc.

just as a side note.

Good luck with your project michael.

you're right, you're probably right.
Nevertheless it just makes me very angry.. I just needed to let some steam off...



yes, i do. but he doesnt care i guess.

Well, then I think you can sue him for damages, but that is only my opinion. If you don't get your work back from him, you should seek a lawyer's help.

thats wy I work alon.

Depending on how much the project is worth to you, you could
contact a local lawyer, show him your contract with the sub-worker
and ask him to send a letter to him, where you demand him to hand out the
database and the other code you've changed.

This will cost you something arround 300€, but if the contract is obvious,
a letter by a laywer has a certain impact on people, and if he don't
really want to go to the curt with you (as this will also cost him a bunch of money),
he should hand over all availiable data.

Regarding the contract: I'm concered because in the US, a 17 year old can't enter into contracts. Thus, the contract both of you had is likely invalid unless 17 is an adult where you are. This can play to your advantage if you can prove this "man" was trying to take advantage of this "child". This will play to your disadvantage if you presented yourself as an adult (ie: lied) in order to get a contract. This point is moot if you live in a place where 17 is "old enough" to enter into a contract.

Doing what others have said and calmly and politely see if you can enter into a discussion with this person is the best way to go about it. You MUST put ALL anger aside and try to work with him.

However, if he still doesn't come through, then you can take legal measures. Again, your age is at a disadvantage for again in the US, you have to be an adult to sue (so maybe your parents could do it). However, to your advantage, most people cave in rather than going through a legal process so the mere THREAT of the suit may be enough.

Well, in europe you can enter a legal contract with 16+ years if your parents give their conscent to it.

In any case! Thanks for all the advice, I decided to go the "ask nicely" way. And whaddayaknow, It worked!

At least I got the most important files back. So I could finish for the deadline.

I didn't sleep very well last night, but I will sleep like in heaven tonight.


..


Though, I really doubt I'll be working with that guy again anytime... in my life.

temporary i can give you access to test your typo 3 things, when you needed.

php mysql and an ssh access, PM me for further details...

greeting
Andreas

Sometimes the biggest obstacle we face is our own mind. Glad you didn't have to set fire to the guys house or anything.

Man Up, and tell your client what happened.

Work with your client on a way to resolve this. More time for you to finish it up, or get some one else to wrap up the project. You are on the hook for this.....

Anything else is a waste of energy and resource.

Work with your client, immedately and spend your time making it right for your client, or that may be your last client...

Ken

but im 14