Most Probable Vision of Future

Posted By: Joey

Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 13:20

hi there!

hilbert's hotel, hm? nice one... i like the idea of having an intellectual discussion with people and opinions from all over the world. so here's my thread:

what do you think is the most probable vision of future?

please read on. future in context of one century, approximately. vision refers to our daily life, our work, our lifestyle, what people talk about.
if you want, you can give a short historical approach of what will have happened in 100 years from now.



the most probable future that i expect to come i've read in a book called "der mastercode" by scott mcbain. in his book he describes a world which is centered around and focused on a computer system called "mother". mother saves every information about our single least important detail of life. where you buy your shoes. where you get your water from. the world is classified by people's net worth.
leaving the last detail unnoticed, the technocentrical world seems very probable to me. i've watched development of the internet and its possibilities for quite a while now (not at last because i'm also a regular user). grabbing one's information from here and there, building one's own information centrals. "web 2.0" is a big step in this direction, heading for our individual experience of the virtual world.

  • 2007 - windows vista comes out. the .net framework 3.0 leads to an overwhelming diversity of software products
  • 2010 - more than 50% of all people are involved in some kind of online community
  • 2021 - microsoft loses its monopolistic position when the von neumann computer design architecture gets outdated and replaced by a more modern, nanotechnological approach
  • 2057 - grey goo of the virtual world.

    what do you think?
  • Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 13:43

    I think developments in all areas will be going slightly less fast than expected by most. In the eighties people had predicted we'd be walking in a star trek like environment by now. Well, yeah, touchscreens and that kind of stuff are here alright, but the overall environment hasn't quite changed that much. The overall difference between the 19th century and the 20th century has been bigger.

    I think in certain areas there will be scientific breakthroughs, but I'd expected more groundbraking stuff already actually.

    - I think by 2025-2035 there won't be any car running on gas, because it's gone by then. There may be flying cars. Prototypes of near fully automatic hovercars (not hovercraft, these things work with rotorblades) are already being tested bigtime.

    - I think the North Korea problem will be solved within 10 years from now. How much longer can they withstand the economic isolation anyways?

    - I think environmental problems will become more important than any ongoing war by 2050. Perhaps clean water will become a global issue, but that would be quite a pessimistic view, but perhaps realistic?

    - The speed of light barrier turns out to be none-existant by 2060. At that time, it's only possible for unmanned vessels to reach that speed.

    - Perhaps there will be settlements on the moon and/or Mars by 2075.

    - I don't think that there will be a World War III between 2006 and a hundred years from now. And I strongly doubt it will be a nuclear war too, it would be quite stupid to do so, only a suïcidal nation would start or want that.

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 14:10

    which area will be the most powerful, the richest? i tend to think it'll still be the western world, europe. not only is this the case by now but it has also the most advantageous political system.
    @phemox: you're indeed right, i'm also of the opinion that cars'll run without gas. hydrogen will serve as energy "source" for both fuel cells and fusion power (estimatedly 2030).
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 16:28

    I think China and other asian countries will outgrow the western 1st world countries within half a century. Not sure if they're going to become the richest, but sure as hell there influence is going to be BIG. (yeah, I better continue learning Chinese )

    Cheers
    Posted By: broozar

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 16:48

    the positive first: 2063/4/5 - first warp flight and day of the first contact

    seriously: aren't we running into a world of social and economic contasts, of cultural, political, and religious ignorance which will probably lead into a new world war?
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 17:11

    @dabro0zar: that was exactly what i meant, i'm not sure whether our current culture can stand all this development. it's like with india's economy: it has an outdated infrastructure which can't bear the booming economy, if you get what i mean...
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 17:20

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    : aren't we running into a world of social and economic contrasts, of cultural, political, and religious ignorance




    I think that's a.) temporary and b.) not enough to start a third World War for several reasons. I do think certain things could cause a major shift in powers, but a third world war seems not that inevitable to me at all. The economic emerge of for example asian countries could be 'bad' for the USA or western countries, but that won't necessarily trigger a Third World War.

    I also doubt the 'Jihad guys' will ever get an army big enough to start a World War III. A possible possesion of a nuclear bomb poses a way greater threat, however that wouldn't really cause a World War III either.

    I really wonder which countries would be fighting the World War III, if anytime soon. Religious ignorance and cultural contrasts might be a big nasty problem, they won't trigger a World War. Why should it? Nationalistic religious nations might want to conquer other countries, however at the moment no nation I know off is strong enough to pull that off.

    Cheers
    Posted By: Matt_Aufderheide

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 17:30

    I do think that China, India, and probably Brazil will become very important global powers.

    However, I also thnk there is another thing which is especially important; the rise of smaller developed nations in other parts of the world. Areas that were once considered backward or "third world" will become important global economies.

    Chief among these I think is Iran, which is already poised to become a regional superpower. Iran's industrial output is increasing by leaps and bounds, it has an educated middle class, and a stable psuedo-democracy. I predict that within 10-20 years Iran will be a leading world power, competing in the global economic market, and a military giant as well.

    As far as Africa goes, I still have a very gloomy outlook here; Africa has so many deep problems that it may take centuries for dramatic improvement. However, there are certain pockets of hope; some nations have had democratic elections, and there is some development in industry and foriegn business investment. Some parts of Africa may become important low-cost manufacturing regions, in the way parts of Asia are now.

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    Climate will continue to warm up in the near term, which will cause some problems but may also have benefits, such as longer growing seasons, better shipping routes, etc.

    Traditional oil reserves will all peak by 2015, and will begin to run out at an accelerated pace due to massive world demand, bolstered by a rising developing world.

    New energy technologies like fuel cells, solar, ethanol, etc will be widespread and economical by 2015.

    Flying "cars" will become available for the general market in areas like Europe, Japan, and the US sometimes around 2020. They will be noramly be controlled not b the driver but by an integrated navigation computer and a global traffic control system.
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 18:12

    what will be happening with the now considered wealthy states? how will they develop further, or will there be a retarding?

    i think for a world state to grow or at last to make nations grow closer there'll be the need for a way cheaper method of transportation. it's still seldom that someone is visiting india just because one's interested in its people and culture. that will also help averting conflicts.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/20/06 21:24

    I think some of the now wealthy nations will get problems in the near future. Perhaps even my own country. In the longrun, we are quite expensive and our government focusses to much on services instead of products. Quite a few things can and are done cheaper in other countries. I do think some wealthy nations, like the Netherlands, will get into trouble at one point in time. I'm not pessimistic, but I do think our economy might already have had it's 'best time', just a feeling I have.

    Quote:

    i think for a world state to grow or at last to make nations grow closer there'll be the need for a way cheaper method of transportation.




    What do you guys think about current borders? Do you think there will be something like one big United Europe someday? Or perhaps a United Middle-east?

    Cheers
    Posted By: Damocles

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 01:06

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    when the von neumann computer design architecture gets outdated and replaced by a more modern, nanotechnological approach





    Actually whe have some kind of "non von Neumann" architecture already.
    Speaking of distributed calculation over networks. (client-server approach)
    Even if the single computers still have a von Neumann architecture, the
    computers working within a network is an additional step.


    Views of the future:

    2 new Ruling Powers: China and Norway.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 01:10

    Norway?! My GOD!

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 12:07

    it's difficult to tell, but i think the european union will become more and more important, overruling the countrie's own governments. the current borders in the eu are ok, there's not much controlling done so that theoretically we can go everywere in europe (except for maybe some eastern states).

    the distributed computer system will indeed outgrow local processing of tasks. look at current projects in the internet (ajax powered applications) like image manipulation, writely and google spreadsheets. you can also record tv shows and download them afterwards, and all that one year after the ajax functionality has become so popular. one year! what about that in, let's say, ten years? local disks and computer hardware will only be for translating the data that comes via net into visual information (the linux x-server is a good example for that).

    joey.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 15:10

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    overruling the countrie's own governments.




    I think many countries would not be happy with that, but I do think this will happen eventually.

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 15:52

    woops... is it countrie's or country's? country's, right? well then...

    i'm definately for a united europe. i don't like national pride and such stuff. you can't be proud on something you haven't helped doing imo.
    do you think the euro will be the strongest currency in the future? or still the dollar?
    Posted By: Damocles

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 18:27

    Now if you would have a united Europe and with that a democracy,
    then a collective vote by France ,Germany and GB would overrule all other nations.

    Contries like Luxembourg would have virtually no influence, since they have much less inhabitants.

    Dont think of this too simple, as Europe is not a (more or less) homogenious culture like in the US.

    And it is also not the meaning of democracy, that the vote from an ihabitant in Luxembourg
    weights more than in Germany, (if you grand each contry the same weight in votes).


    I am not for a united "EU-govenment", it would just not work out.
    Europe is a collection of nations, not a single nation made of districts.


    I was also happy that the election for a EU constitution was droped by France and Holland.
    Why? because I had no option to vote for/against it.
    A contitution can only be legalized by a collective vote of all that are affected by it
    , and not by some government that
    was not elected dor this specific question.
    (social contract theorem)
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 19:39

    Quote:

    i'm definately for a united europe. i don't like national pride and such stuff. you can't be proud on something you haven't helped doing imo.
    do you think the euro will be the strongest currency in the future? or still the dollar?




    At the moment the euro seems to be stronger already, the dollar is comming back a little, but it could go bothways really..

    I'm not nationalistic, infact quite the opposite. However, just like Damocles said, I don't think a united europe would really work. Too much problems with such a 'democracy'.

    Lol, if someday we can't do nothing but accept a United Europe, I do hope Holland get's a big influence vote-wise, because we still pay the most by far, of all EU countries...

    I know, I know, can't exactly call this a democratic and social argument, but what if other large countries join the EU who do not pay anything (or just a tiny little bit) but still have a vote? That would be unfair in my humble opinion.

    It's something tricky though, because I really have no problem sharing wealth with other nations, so on the other hand I'd be glad to help out.

    Quote:

    woops... is it countrie's or country's? country's, right? well then...




    No, the plural of country is countries. In English plurals get a 's' behind the singular. In normal cases that would be countrys, however this is a somewhat special case. Just like baby -> babies , country -> countries get -es behind the singular. Not trying to be a teacher, but thought you might wanted to know. Damn, I feel like a wisecrack now.

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 22:35

    Quote:

    Lol, if someday we can't do nothing but accept a United Europe, I do hope Holland get's a big influence vote-wise, because we still pay the most by far, of all EU countries...




    uhm, isn't germany the country which contributes by far most of the money?
    look here
    or here
    well or here...

    countries' is the correct form. now i got it .

    joey.
    Posted By: Damocles

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/21/06 22:39

    He might mean the per habitant saldo,
    might be higher in Holland. (I would have to look up the statistics)

    But Germany is the largest net-payer.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 01:01

    Yes, I meant per citizen indeed. However, it depends a little on which information you rely. At the moment Belgium seems to be paying slightly more per habitant than Holland. About 400€ versus 335€. Germany pays only 259€ per habitant. France pays more, about 286€ per habitant. Like I said though, this depends on which statistics you use. Usually Holland can be found in the top 5, just like Germany.

    On second thought though I think we shouldn't complain. I tend to totally forget that our country is quite wealthy compared to other countries. Ireland, Denmark, Holland, Austria and Luxembourg all are quite wealthy, so actually it's not that strange that 'we' pay more.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/European_union_gdp_map_de.png

    Cheers
    Posted By: William

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 05:39

    I like how Matt summarized his views. I think China will become the worlds superpower soon enough, once more and more become educated there. Past that, corperations will continue to merge, and there will be less companies, but bigger ones at that in the next 100 years. And if you happen to notice a large degree of individual business's/chains amongst this, expect these to be secretly or publicly owned by existing corperations. This is somewhat common now, as the years go buy, companies buy other private companies without announcing it, while keeping the seperate names and managers. As to oil, good job on explaining the oil reserve, I think they'll use oil till they get the last few drops, then slowly shift over to technology that could have been introduced a bit faster.
    Posted By: Matt_Aufderheide

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 08:45

    Quote:

    but i think the european union will become more and more important, overruling the countrie's own governments




    I also think so, and its a good thing. I hope something similar happens with the US and North America--there ought to be a North American Union among the US, Canada, Mexico, and so forth.

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    Supernational governments are likely to be the future of society, and may hopefully help to prevent some of the problems in current nations, such as in Iraq, Israel-Palestine, Ireland, Korea, etc.

    There to has to be some way to deal with trouble spots other than force them to lump together into artifial "nations", like Iraq.

    I think in many cases, national governments fail to address the needs of minorities, so there ought to be some kind of larger regional government, while at the same time small areas with some autonomy.

    Eventually, of course, the whole world ought to be governed this way, eliminating sovereign nations all together. There would obviously be resistance by many current nations, so it has to be done gradually.
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 18:17

    do you think that may happen within the next 100 years?
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 22:06

    Quote:

    I think in many cases, national governments fail to address the needs of minorities, so there ought to be some kind of larger regional government, while at the same time small areas with some autonomy.




    I totally agree. However there's one thing I do not quite understand, why would a larger supernational government care more about minorities? I'd expect the opposite? I do agree that it would be a good thing if the supernational governments would take care of minority issues within all countries within the united area though.

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 22:17

    it might indeed be that a "world government" would've problems with minorities, but imo this government is simply not realistic as long as there are cultural diversities which lead into this conflict.

    another thought: in a book i read recently ("die saga der sieben sonnen"), all world religions are mingled to one single big religion called the "unisono", combining both christian with the jewish, the nature and the arabian/asian religions. but that's definately that much unrealistic and won't happen in a thousand years. the churches are still too strong, allthough there is already such a movement (ecumeny), which is - i hate to say that - a very bad idea, since it's not - as intended - bringing together different religions but combines them to one mixture of hypocrite antitheses. sorry for these harsh words. but isn't the church an institution to represent its religion? i don't want them to battle for their disciples, but to send their message out so everybody can evaluate the truth. we can't when we're overwhelmed by blindfolded statements.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/22/06 22:40

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    allthough there is already such a movement (ecumeny), which is - i hate to say that - a very bad idea, since it's not - as intended - bringing together different religions but combines them to one mixture of hypocrite antitheses. sorry for these harsh words. but isn't the church an institution to represent its religion? i don't want them to battle for their disciples, but to send their message out so everybody can evaluate the truth. we can't when we're overwhelmed by blindfolded statements.




    Eventhough I'm sure I would be going really far off topic when talking too much about this, but ... this has been going on for a g e s already ... The Jewish belief have things in common with Christianity, the Islamic belief have things in common with Christianity and so on and so forth ... The Asian religions are perhaps even more mixed, especially because usually each area has it's own 'history of mixing', governments who banned certain things etc.. Certain concepts, like a 'messiah' or 'heaven' or '1 God' seem to appear in quite some religions, that's why they are not necessarily automaticaly totally 'incompatible' with eachother. I do agree though, a total mix into just 1 religion will never happen ... Too much differences, too much of a powerstruggle and cultural influences.

    Quote:

    it might indeed be that a "world government" would've problems with minorities




    Exactly, that's why I wondered wether or not these kind of huge governments would actually care about minorities, or even if they would care, would they be able to help?

    Cheers
    Posted By: William

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/23/06 07:49

    I think instead of all religions joining as one, there will be little religion. This would allow more unity, if a large degree of the world is not neccesarily aethist, but rather more neautral towards one another with a general belief of God, and all else goes. The different beliefs are a bit complex to join into one super religion that accounts for them all. It's much easier to just create a religion of "self", and as most would say, it's the easiest religion to follow. Generally, the entire world would have to be much more globalized at this point. Take Canada for an example, it's a very multicultural country, and generally, there is acceptance for everyone. Now imagine that mentality across the entire world, alongside very little religion.

    Is it possible that unions will replace governments(for example, an Asian union, North American, European) in the next 100 years? I'd say the chances are good, but not for the whole world, select nations at first. Of course, things can move quicker or slower than meets the eye. One has to ask, when will the madness stop, will there eventually be one currency for the entire planet? Will the final unions merge 200 years from now? What will the Playstation19 be like?
    Posted By: Matt_Aufderheide

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/23/06 11:14

    Quote:

    why would a larger supernational government care more about minorities? I'd expect the opposite?




    Well my view of a supernational government is that it would allow smaller semi-autonomous states to manage their own internal affairs, but also provide a framework for redress, and for social services, and for common defense and security--no one group can oppress any other group without being held accountable by higher authority.

    In the same way that the UN tries to consider the needs of minority groups who are being oppressed, this new supernational framework would allow for smaller units such as minority regions, like Palestine, Israel, Kurdistan, etc, to exist but still have the benefits of being part of a larger nation, without being oppressed by a larger and antagonistic majority.

    For example, Iraq currently has a number of smaller regions or cultural areas which simply can not coexist in one unified government. However, if Iraq were to be subsumed into a larger supernation, each little region might be able to exist in an autonomous capacity, without the dangers of "balkanization".

    No one wants an area like Iraq or Somalia broken into several small independent states. However, in my framework, they can exist semi-autonomously, and yet still form parts of a larger nation.

    Obviously this concept comes with its own host of problems, but in fact, dealing with large structural problems is in some ways easier then resolving small regional conflicts.
    Posted By: ptrc1c

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/27/06 01:53

    This is fantasy. Take the example of Rwanda. The two factions were the Tootsies and the Hutus which did not even exist before some colonial power told them so.
    What happened next was genocide.
    Take christianity. Why should a small country like Ireland, which is 'christian' be so divided.
    I always thought to be 'christian' was to be tolerant.
    Next examine Islamic countries.
    Different flavours of Islam. Iran and Iraq.
    Next Take the Balkans. If you examine history this was the border between the old empire(Ottoman) and the new (Austro Hungarian), met.
    An update- a known Russian spy was eliminated in Britain, he ate sushi which contained Polonium( a radioctive substance). It was enough to make him suffer while his organs failed and endure a painfull death. It is reckoned to do this you have to be a Nobel prize winning scientist. The reasons why this happened are unclear, as Russia is no lomnger seen as an enemy of the west. Answers please.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/27/06 12:02

    Quote:

    The two factions were the Tootsies and the Hutus which did not even exist before some colonial power told them so.




    Uhm, it depends on which 'theory of history' you believe in I guess. The Hutus and Tutsis are actually genetically two different kinds of people (or 'factions' whatever). The Hutus, about 80% or so of the people of Rwanda consists of Hutus, they arived at the Great Lake area in Africa somewhere around the year 1000. There's reasonable evidence for this. The Tutsis came much later, probably from Ethiopia a couple of hundred years later. There's less known about this though, smaller group, harder to track back.

    The colonial powers didn't quite cause the hatred on both sides, I admit that I can't quite say they tried hard to solve it either. However totally blaming the colonial powers for the genocide goes a bit far.

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    a known Russian spy was eliminated in Britain, he ate sushi which contained Polonium( a radioctive substance). It was enough to make him suffer while his organs failed and endure a painfull death. It is reckoned to do this you have to be a Nobel prize winning scientist. The reasons why this happened are unclear, as Russia is no lomnger seen as an enemy of the west. Answers please.




    Yes, but who says it was the West having killed him? I don't want to point any fingers towards Putin, but it's a possibility the order came from within the Kremlin.

    Being a spy is a risky business, the guy must have known that,

    Cheers
    Posted By: Matt_Aufderheide

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/30/06 16:09

    Quote:

    a known Russian spy was eliminated in Britain, he ate sushi which contained Polonium( a radioctive substance). It was enough to make him suffer while his organs failed and endure a painfull death. It is reckoned to do this you have to be a Nobel prize winning scientist.




    Nonsense. Anyone with a good knowledge of chemistry and biology can predict how a radioactive substance affects the human body. In fact, radiation poisoning is a well-documented process, since whenever someone died of it--like in the manhattan project--the whole process was studied and recorded by scientists and doctors.

    I submit that his death occured along normal lines for anyone poisoned by a radioactive heavy metal. Its not like this is the first time something like that has happened (though i cant recall any one being intentionally murdered that way, but who knows).

    you dont need to be a nobel prize winning scientist.. this is a silly comment.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/30/06 19:04

    You don't need to know anything about Polonium except that it's hazardous when swallowed, however a more interesting question would be; how could a 'normal' person acquire such an highly radioactive substance? The Russian maffia obviously has no problems getting there hands on those kind of materials?

    Cheers
    Posted By: Joey

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/30/06 20:37

    you can buy stuff like that, as far as i know. it's not that dangerous but we have access to super-economy-packages of chloroform (trichloromethane) at the sfz and nobody would care if we'd take a bit with us. i think it's the same with other scientist laboratories, noone cares if you'd steal a bit here and there...
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 11/30/06 23:05

    Just because it's 'just' an alpha emitter doesn't mean it's easy to get. It may be more or less harmless when outside of your body, but everybody knows what will happen when someone ingests it. It's potentially very hazardous. Unless it came straight out of a lab in Russia (;) ) I see no way it could have come from a normal European lab (with it's minimal security, when radioactive stuff is involved, even when just alpha emitters. we've definately learned things since the 70-80s.)

    As for other things like chloroform, yes that's probably relatively easy,

    Cheers
    Posted By: Damocles

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 12/02/06 01:03

    Polonium is used to trigger atomic bombs,
    so I think this is handled with a hight security priority.

    Funny that this one of the worst substances to make a "hidden" attack,
    as it can be detected quite easily with Geiger-Detectors,
    so the guy that injected it could e found quite easily (detecting traces on him)
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 12/02/06 03:56

    Well, I'm not sure, but I think that depends on the amount of Polonium 210 used and off course by what means he carried it around. You've got a good point though, it's quite amazing something like this got past several securities without being detected. (Or do they not scan for radioactive substances at the airport lugage handling???)

    Cheers
    Posted By: harleyb12

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/03/07 20:14

    i think the most powerful(i dont know about richest america spends money on some pretty dumb $#!t) will be america. at this time we could kick enybodies a$$ we wanted to(plz dont take this afenscivly im just stayting what i see going on) the 50 states would have grown canada probly would have joined america and mabey part of mexico. i think that america will continue to help countries in need and in the end become dominent. oh as for technology we will probly live to the age of 170 yrs at the least do to medical breakthroughs and computers grown to the size of a keyboard with 10X the speed and power of a computer today. and that would just be our smaller computers. dicks would be the size of a floppy dick holding 100 of gigabite tvs would have deatale beter than life and video games having models with 100 of billions of polys all in 1 model overall a LOT will change hovercars are a posability but not as likely as robots walking around doing all sorts of oddjobs with the ability to learn(not much and not very well but still learn)
    Posted By: AlbertoT

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/03/07 22:06

    Progress probably will slow down apart from bio engineering and may be computer science
    20 years ago you took 18 - 20 hours to fly from Europe to Australia
    Nowadays it is about the same
    Posted By: lostclimate

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/04/07 00:54

    I think people are overestimating the speed of development. also i think several of the larger "powers" in all aspects will start to lose there stability, due to an infrastructure built decades previous to the time, with too many things built on top of eachother, take america for instance, it hit its peak in about the early to mid nineties right? and then it all went down hill and you can watch it slowly lose its stability. Take microsoft, we can sit back and observe bill gates driving his own product into the ground because of one thing.... he has power, and power makes you stupid, it makes you think you can make the choice to do things like release an operating system that no ones gonna like, and still be able to sell it, it makes you feel like god until the company fails.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/04/07 17:57

    Quote:

    it makes you feel like god until the company fails.




    Yeah, but it's not like old Billyboy cares ... he's got what? like 60 billion on his private bankaccount ... He is practically god when it comes to being able to spend money ...

    Cheers
    Posted By: lostclimate

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/04/07 19:40

    well yeah, but im saying that the microsoft monster itself will probably fail sometime withing the next decade.
    Posted By: Inestical

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/04/07 20:29

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    computers grown to the size of a keyboard with 10X the speed and power of a computer today




    well, there is nanotechology being replaced by photon-tecnology
    currently, the speed gain is over 30Ghz.. ~10 times faster than average PC today.
    I think the speed will grow up still. The minus is that these things are on market in five years or so.

    As for macrosuck, I think it has already failed. The company itself will suffer all the way making big cuts in employees and other expenses, the power of Open-Source will crush ms.
    Posted By: PHeMoX

    Re: Most Probable Vision of Future - 03/04/07 23:23

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    the power of Open-Source will crush ms.




    I'm afraid that will take a long while still, there are plenty ways to complicate the use of open-source , infact ms tries to close it's system down so less and less 3rd party or unaproved software will run. I really think Windows is going the way of Xbox as closed as possible ... I just hope that by then nobody buys a 'ms' pc anymore,

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