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A5 Downgrade #79471
06/26/06 09:14
06/26/06 09:14
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Here's the promised downgrade to the A5.2 engine - the last engine that supported software rendering and ran on very old machines without 3D hardware. You need a valid A6/A7 Commercial or Pro password for downloading the downgrade:

A5 setup

A5 Commercial key

A5 Pro key

The key is required for installing the setup or an A5 update.

Note that A6 levels or models won't run with the A5 engine. You'll need to use the A5 WED and MED editors for creating A5 objects.

The updates to 5.24 can be found at updcom524.exe and updpro524.exe .

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: jcl] #79472
06/26/06 12:49
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Hi, I have a short question...
Is there no opportunity to use the downgrade with an existing A5 version?


Mfg, PlayStefan <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: PlayStefan] #79473
06/26/06 17:05
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Thanks, JCL. Downloading now.

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: jcl] #79474
06/27/06 01:02
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Quote:

Here's the promised downgrade to the A5.2 engine - the last engine that supported software rendering and ran on very old machines without 3D hardware. You need a valid A6 Commercial or Pro password for downloading the downgrade:

A5 setup

A5 Commercial key

A5 Pro key

The key is required for installing the setup or an A5 update.#

Note that A6 levels or models won't run with the A5 engine. You'll need to use the A5 WED and MED editors for creating A5 objects.





Om.... My Gosh!

I can't Believe it this is so Cool.

Thank you so Very much!

Well you kept your end of the Bargain
I guess Its time no for me to buy
A6 Pro

I'll be purcchasing within the week
or 2 at least.


You have made me happy again

Downloading Commercial for now


*** Teutonic Darkness ***

Re: Corrupt Downgrade [Re: jcl] #79475
06/27/06 02:07
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Hello,


After trying the download,....
I cant get it to work properly.


Wed Crashes immediately after launching.


I'll try downloading aging to confirm
it not a bad download.


Ok... I just confirmed that it isn't a bad download
are other users experiencing problems?

Is there some special method to installing this version of
A5?

I have a very old version of A5 extra installed to
another directory... ( It works fine)

[Also if I overwrite the Acknex.exe
with the new one for Commercial it works]

[Also installing A5 Demo and re-writing all files
with commercial works]

This rules out a prob with my Computer



* I'm not really expecting any support here
other than a Clean install


I really want to see that A5 comm will run
before I buy the Pro upgrade/downgrade

you allmost have me convinced to spend
the $800 - upgrade/downgrade

Just want a clean install without copying this
pastin/editing this kind of thing.



Thanks,


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: jcl] #79476
07/01/06 00:12
07/01/06 00:12
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Well,

What the heck....
I have waited for years for this.

The Install for Commercial is indeed corupt.

However rather than waiting for you to change your
mind again and decide not to offer it:


I'm going to go ahead and buy A6 Pro and do the downgrade.



I'll just have to take my chances with
Mix- matching components to make it work



A5 Demo + A6 Pro/downgrade key = A5 Pro

Well I hope anyway.


*Please at least tell me after the purchase you will
at least work with me if it dosn't install.



*** Teutonic Darkness ***



Quote:

Also I have 2 Question?

1.) Well Do you offer any discounts If I buy more than I Pro?

2.) Can I purchase More than I Pro for other
team members to {Use Only) for Project and return to
me later?

3.) I just made the Pro purchase ...
I want to Personally state to
avoid Confusion...

The Volume Should be licended to me:

Joseph Nelson

However On the Engine itself I would like
it to only show my Company Name: T.D. Games.




Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79477
07/04/06 02:21
07/04/06 02:21
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What are the feature specifications of this A5 downgrade? As in, is true color (24-bit or 32-bit color) supported? A6 has the specifications chart, for A6, so what about A5?

Also, aren't Standard and Extra included as well (or the instructor's version)? I'm just wondering in this case.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #79478
07/07/06 23:27
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Quote:

What are the feature specifications of this A5 downgrade? As in, is true color (24-bit or 32-bit color) supported? A6 has the specifications chart, for A6, so what about A5?

Also, aren't Standard and Extra included as well (or the instructor's version)? I'm just wondering in this case.




I'm not absolutly positive... but I believe it is actually 24
so the software renderer can handle things if needed.

I doubt they have a spec chart anymore.. maybe the manual that
comes with it could be of more help?

I'll look and see if I have a spec chart as I had the Old site saved
on my drive at one time.
However it is doubtfull as I really havn't needed it
as for what I do I know it is fully capable.


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79479
07/11/06 17:13
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Software mode is 8 Bit only.

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: FBL] #79480
07/11/06 19:15
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I'm mainly referring to panels - 2D elements. But then again, knowing what features you get with A5 does help.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
A5 downgrade - feature comparison chart [Re: ulillillia] #79481
07/11/06 19:24
07/11/06 19:24
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Wouldn't you know it? The internet archive's wayback machine has the solution to the feature comparison chart. Have a look! I can't tell what version this is for, however.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: jcl] #79482
07/11/06 20:01
07/11/06 20:01
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Quote:

Here's the promised downgrade to the A5.2 engine - the last engine that supported software rendering and ran on very old machines without 3D hardware. You need a valid A6 Commercial or Pro password for downloading the downgrade:

A5 setup

A5 Commercial key

A5 Pro key

The key is required for installing the setup or an A5 update.

Note that A6 levels or models won't run with the A5 engine. You'll need to use the A5 WED and MED editors for creating A5 objects.



The updates to 5.24 can be found at updcom524.exe and updpro524.exe .






Hi, I´ve noticed that you have add the Updates to 5.24 for Comm. an Pro. Is there no update for the Extra and the Standard Version? Why? At first you´ve only add the downgrades for Comm. and Pro. as described but now (because I think you really add it later as I´ve just said) there are these Updates, too. So please tell me is there any particular reason why you aren´t offering an Update for Standard or Extra? I would be happy if you could offer it anytime

@jcl: Please answer if possible

mfg, BiG_F


Mfg, PlayStefan <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: PlayStefan] #79483
07/11/06 20:18
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For the fun of it, try these links and play with the URL:

For extra
For standard

If you looked at the URLs of the two available, there's:

http://server.conitec.net/gsa6p/key.exe for professional
http://server.conitec.net/gsa6c/key.exe for commercial

Note the gsa6p and gsa6c. Since the last letter changes and is the first letter of the edition, logic would say that your best bet would be to use e for extra and s for standard. This only works if the file actually exists or you just get a 404 error.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: A5 downgrade - feature comparison chart [Re: ulillillia] #79484
07/12/06 00:19
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Quote:

Wouldn't you know it? The internet archive's wayback machine has the solution to the feature comparison chart. Have a look! I can't tell what version this is for, however.





Hey ... Great find

It was the info for Pre-5.24 As at the top you see 5.202 update
available.. Also the Price had droped in the later days as
It was in the later days $800.

I know this because by the Time I had saved the money...
It was $900. and not available anymore so I had to get A6.

I think all the info is valid for the most part...


That was Awesome Seeing that again... "I will be sure to
save it this time" ...

Thanks...



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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: PlayStefan] #79485
07/12/06 00:27
07/12/06 00:27
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Quote:


Hi, I´ve noticed that you have add the Updates to 5.24 for Comm. an Pro. Is there no update for the Extra and the Standard Version? Why? At first you´ve only add the downgrades for Comm. and Pro. as described but now (because I think you really add it later as I´ve just said) there are these Updates, too. So please tell me is there any particular reason why you aren´t offering an Update for Standard or Extra? I would be happy if you could offer it anytime

@jcl: Please answer if possible

mfg, BiG_F





Well... I'm not JCL so dont count this as officail...
But I don't think you will ever see it for the lower Editions

When it was first being discussed about making it available
that was brought up .... bacically they don't want to deal with
it for lower Editions. However I you have Supported Conitec by
Spending a little more... Than they consider it worth wile to
have it available to you.

After waiting this long for it to become available...
I would pretty well take it as:

What you see is what you get.

Now If I really wanted this update...
I would grab it while you still even have
an option.

I must say from using it... it is "AweSome"
my workflow is going steady once again...




*** Teutonic Darkness ***

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79486
07/12/06 11:29
07/12/06 11:29
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And $200 for commercial edition really isn't that much. If you didn't spend on what you didn't really need (like new dinnerware when your current stuff is in decent order), you could save that $200 in 4 or 5 months, possibly even within 2 months. Try to work overtime if you can as overtime means 50% bonus pay and it adds up (but make sure the place you're working at allows it). For convienience, I used some copy paste on that chart to post it here. Since I can't use the table tag, it's ASCII art instead.

Code:

+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Edition |Standard |Extra |Commercial |Professional |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Level editor |yes |yes |yes |distributable|
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Model editor |yes |yes |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Client/Server |no |no |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Multiserver |no |no |no |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Max players |1 or 2 ** |1 or 2 ** |4 |unlimited |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Max screen res |640x480x16|1024x768x16|1024x768x16|1600x1200x32 |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Light sources |white |white |coloured |coloured |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Static shadows |yes |yes |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Dynamic shadows |no |no |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Particle generator|yes |yes |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Beam generator |no |no |no |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Mirrors |no |no |no |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Terrain |no |yes |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Transparency |plain 50% |alpha/flare|alpha/flare|alpha/flare |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Geometric LOD |no |yes |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|AVI scene player |no |no |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|CD audio player |no |no |yes |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|File packer |no |no |no |yes |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|C++/Delphi SDK |separately|separately |separately |included |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Watermark * |yes |yes |no |no |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Support (email) |no |no |90 days |1 year |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Price |$49.- |$99.- |$199.- |$1250.- |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+
|Upgrade *** |-- |$69.- |$99.- |$625.- |
+------------------+----------+-----------+-----------+-------------+




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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #79487
08/01/06 16:21
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I've installed A5 Commercial now. snd_play doesn't work for me, is there any solution for that?

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: zeroX1] #79488
08/02/06 02:52
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Quote:

I've installed A5 Commercial now. snd_play doesn't work for me, is there any solution for that?




look for play_sound and play_song in manual under: page 61 and 62

Thats should help.


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79489
08/02/06 05:44
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What is so good about the downgrade? Isn't A6 supposed to be the better version? Or am I in the dark somewhere?


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: MJR_Corp] #79490
08/02/06 06:43
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Some want to be able to develop games using the software mode, which has far greater compatibility for older systems and for those who want to make a simple game. My 2D game would otherwise fit into this, but I need support for 24-bit color and A5 doesn't have that, so it's not an option. 24-bit color was only implemented into the 6.31 update. 16-bit color looks very bad, considering all those gradients I've got and 32-bit color would otherwise just end up wasting both disk space and memory and not worth it. I just mainly posted the feature comparison chart so users would know what each edition from A5 supports. I got it off the internet archive.


"You level up the fastest and easiest if you do things at your own level and no higher or lower" - useful tip My 2D game - release on Jun 13th; My tutorials
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79491
08/02/06 09:14
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TeutonicDarkness:
No, I've tried to use play_sound already, and it didn't work too. I don't get any compilation errors, but i can't hear the sound. I also can't hear the walking sound from the player (i can hear the guard's) and the menu sounds in the office level. ent_playsound and play_entsound are working.

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: zeroX1] #79492
08/02/06 19:00
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Quote:

TeutonicDarkness:
No, I've tried to use play_sound already, and it didn't work too. I don't get any compilation errors, but i can't hear the sound. I also can't hear the walking sound from the player (i can hear the guard's) and the menu sounds in the office level. ent_playsound and play_entsound are working.




Hey,

Before we get off track here too much....
If you are indeed using the Downgrade..

Start another thread about your sound problem
Under the Past.
you are also more likely too get help and it
keeps this thread organized.


*** Teutonic Darkness ***

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: TeutonicDarkness] #79493
10/12/07 00:01
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Wow...I've been here since new release of A5....and sorta drifted away from game development all togther...

Still checking things out though every once in a while.


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #204861
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this is pretty cool, i get a5 com just for having a6, this is cool of you jcl \:D


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #209835
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Is there anywhere an Update to 5.52 to download for this?


mfg, Marc V.
Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #220145
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i am having a problem JCL. I cant download A5 with my A6 passcode, am I doing something wrong?


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: virtualmarctek] #230008
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smile It's on the very beginning of this topic.

Last edited by Yu_Une; 10/02/08 08:02.

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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: ulillillia] #235068
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I go to the link to download but when i get there


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Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: wh1t3_w1d0w] #323118
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cool. i have a A5 Com
thanks laugh

Re: A5 Downgrade for A6 users [Re: Tempelbauer] #356884
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sorry to bump this but id need an a5 version below 5.24 , before the syntax was changed.
this threads version doesnt really work.

i have checked but didnt find any info when the wdl code syntax was updated however...

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