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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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Ah, but I do know that the Lord does exist and that He is truth and His word is truth. And the pope is jewish. I think i said it before. There is not a single fact pointing in the direction of the existance of a god. That's why it is called faith and not knowledge.
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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Ah, but I do know that the Lord does exist and that He is truth and His word is truth. Yes, I understood what you said, Lukas. No, I cannot disprove what you said anymore than you can disprove God and His word (the bible). I thought the video was stupid. I did not need to watch anymore. Creationism IS true. It is not a religion. It is NOT disproven. God DOES exist and evolution is not proven and false. So you cannot disprove what I said. And what I said disproves the existence of god! You say I can't disprove "God's word" the bible? Haha! The bible is rubbish! Almost everything in the bible IS DISPROVEN! Evolution IS proven! Evolution IS true! EDIT: Oh yes, you NEED to watch the video! Don't refuse seeing the truth!
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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I think there is no real random, we just can't find out these things exactly. I think there is a real determinism. He (Einstein) thought that quantum physics was temporary and that one day we would discover the hidden world underneath; a world that isn't probabilistic. But sophisticated experiments done during the last 20 years have convinced physicists that, in this case, Einstein was wrong Something in between Quantum physics by itself is deterministic but it is not intuitive,the physical meaning of the parameters of the equations and of the relevant results being partially unknown Human beings reason by analogies The indeterminism of quantum physics is due to the fact that we try to describe entities which are beyond the limits of ou experience ( protons, electrons etc ) using analogies with our world ( particles , waves) as well as to the interference with the measuring instruments The orbit of the moon does not change whether you watch it or not, different story for an electron Going to philosophy The error of Einstein was to implicitly assume ( even though it was an atheist) a sharp distinction : mind and matter If what we call mind is the mere results of a neural networks than also our mind is part of the measuring pipeline same as the instrumentation for measuring the position of the electrons Having said that I dont mean that quantum physics has definitely excluded the existence of soul A reasonable critic was : If measuring generate probabilistic results and our materialistic mind is part of the measuring system why do all scientists agree on the result of the same experiment ? The question is still open For those who are intersted I would suggest to read " Quantum physics and Phylosophi " by Werner Heisemberg An outdated book but still a masterpiece
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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Someone mentioned also the theory of the intelligent design As far as I know most of the scientists do not accept it, either
The Catholic church, thanks to his thousand years wisdom ,have realized that it is the last beach for religion The topic is very complex, I would just make a , so to speak, critic from an ethical point of view
The Bible claims that men and animals have been living in peace in the Eden, but because of the original sin they started struggling for life
Well....ok...it can make some sense in case of creationism and the intelligent design ?
Fossils clearly demostrate that animals were fitted with claws and long teeth from the very beginning, before , the monkey who had just been turned into a man, ate the apple
I watched a program on television, some time ago
A female camel refused to have sex with two male camels, because she had to take care of her kid
No problem One male camel engaged the female camel while the other one kicked her baby to death
Should I assume that such behavior has been planned on purpose , by a God of love?
I was touched and I dont think to be a particular sweet hearted guy
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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It is not stupid. Watch the whole video!
Oh mighty milk jug! do watch over me and be my guiding light!
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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So you are saying you cannot prove or disprove god. Do you know what things do that you can't prove or disprove? They don't matter! It's like claiming that there parallel universe wich doesn't have any influence in our universe. It wouldn't matter. You couldn't prove or disprove it. It's the same for god. You can't prove or disprove the existence of god because he doesn't influence in the world!
Not exactly. I'm saying that since science is uterly incapable of explaining how life originated, or how the physical laws originated, or how matter itself came into existence, and since all of these things seem to follow an orderly, intelligent system, it serves to argue that the first cause may have been an Intelligent God, instead of whatever it is you materialists might suppose. This is compounded by the fact that throughout history, many people have stepped forward and have claimed that an almighty God has communicated to them through various means, and has inspired books etc... Ignoring these books and prophets etc... is actually unscientific, because all the data available is not being considered.
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Re: Q: Should creationism be taught in shools? -- A: YES!
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science is uterly incapable of explaining how life originated
true or how the physical laws originated
There are many valid theories or how matter itself came into existence,
Yes and no In quantum physics , " existance " is the natural state , The " non existance " does not exist A non intuitive issue but supported by the theory and lab evidences the first cause may have been an Intelligent God
Intelligent maybe, but please spare me the God of love Ignoring these books and prophets etc... is actually unscientific, because all the data available is not being considered.
Definitely not a scientifc argument, for obvious reasons
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